Recent changes on the VM Network

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    TSID SID EPG Service Name Gp 1 Flag Added Gp 3 Flag Added
    1 101 300 New Music On Demand Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    1 102 997 Get Moving Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    1 103 985 A Message For Parents Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    1 104 968 A Message For Parents Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 201 127 Dave Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 202 245 Eden Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 203 126 alibi Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 204 978 Television X Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 205 980 Adult Channel Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 207 129 YESTERDAY Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 208 286 HGTV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 209 125 W Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 210 130 Drama Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 211 128 Really Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 212 426 Sony Movie Action Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 213 621 NDTV 24x7 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 214 160 Sky Two Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 215 425 Sony Movies Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 216 136 Sky Crime Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 218 828 Colors Cineplex Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 219 269 Together TV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 220 226 Drama +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 221 603 Sky News Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 222 740 QVC Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 223 826 COLORS Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 224 346 NOW 80s Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    2 225 348 NOW 70s Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 301 191 alibi +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 302 143 4Seven Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 303 131 Dave ja vu Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 304 258 Discovery Chan +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 305 287 Home & Health Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 306 257 Discovery History Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 307 194 GOLD +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 308 252 Discovery Science Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 309 256 Discovery Turbo Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 310 290 HGTV +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 311 831 Al Jazeera Arabic Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 312 703 Baby TV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 313 116 ITV2 +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 314 120 ITVBe +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 315 213 Quest +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 316 122 Sky Comedy Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 317 266 National Geographic Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 318 267 National Geographic+1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 320 973 XXX GirlGirl Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 321 271 Sky HISTORY +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 322 412 Sky Premiere 1hr Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 323 526 MUTV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    3 325 112 Sky Witness Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 401 183 MTV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 402 313 MTV BASE Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 403 314 Club MTV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 404 312 MTV HITS Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 405 184 BET Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 406 310 MTV MUSIC Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 407 316 MTV Classic Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 408 707 Disney XD Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 409 318 MTV OMG Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 410 315 MTV ROCKS Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 411 724 Disney Channel Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 412 725 Disney Channel+1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 413 727 Disney Junior Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 414 110 Sky One Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 415 853 ITV Audio Desc Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 416 642 Channel A SD Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 417 979 XXX GirlGirl Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 418 730 Boomerang Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 419 731 Boomerang +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 420 196 More 4 +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 421 428 Film4 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 422 430 Film4 +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 423 607 CNN International Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 424 337 4Music Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    4 425 704 Cartoon Network Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 501 168 I.D. Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 502 259 Animal Planet +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 503 260 Discovery Science +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 504 214 DMAX + 1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 505 261 Discovery History +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 506 291 Home & Health +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 507 288 Discovery Shed Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 508 171 DMAX Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 509 172 TLC+1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 510 293 Horse & Country Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 511 173 I.D.+1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 512 546 Box Nation Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 513 807 SONY SAB Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 514 289 Travel Channel Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 516 742 QVC Style Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 517 342 Kerrang Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 518 336 Box Hits Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 519 338 Kiss Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 520 335 The Box Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 521 340 Magic Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 522 644 Channel B SD Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 523 181 Comedy Central Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 524 157 FOX Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    5 525 706 Cartoonito Hide Channel Hide Reversal
  • TSID SID EPG Service Name Gp 1 Flag Added Gp 3 Flag Added
    6 601 861 BBC ONE Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 602 863 BBC ONE NI Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 603 170 Quest Red Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 604 809 Zee TV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 605 865 BBC TWO Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 606 292 God Channel Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 607 839 Islam Channel Urdu Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 608 219 Vice Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 609 222 Crime+Inv +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 611 161 BBC ALBA Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 613 851 BBC ONE AD Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 614 852 BBC TWO AD Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 615 345 Clubland TV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 616 620 euronews Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 618 419 Movies 24 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 619 420 Movies 24+ Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 623 138 SYFY Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 624 613 CNBC Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 625 815 B4U Movies Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 626 816 B4U Music Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 627 140 E! Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    6 629 991 BBC Red Button 1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 701 622 Al Jazeera English Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 702 216 Blaze Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 703 716 Nick Jr Too Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 704 756 Jewellery Maker Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 705 715 Nick Junior Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 707 520 Sky Sports Mix Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 708 713 Nick +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 709 717 Nicktoons Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 710 712 Nickelodeon Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 712 971 Babes & Brazzers Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 715 133 Comedy Central +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 716 827 Colors Rishtey Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 717 175 ITV4 +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 718 180 SkyWitness +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 719 982 Meet The Babes Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 720 415 Turner Classic Movies Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 721 969 Adult Previews Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 722 182 Comedy Central Extra Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 723 158 FOX+1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    7 725 519 Sky Sports News Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 801 445 Talking Pictures Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 802 152 5Select Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 803 185 5 USA +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 804 155 Channel 5+1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 805 151 5STAR Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 806 153 5 USA Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 807 197 CBS Drama Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 808 186 5STAR +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 810 833 HUM EUROPE Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 811 154 Channel 5 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 812 855 Channel 5 Audio Desc Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 815 981 Babenation Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 817 748 Create & Craft Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 818 747 Ideal World Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 819 192 CBS Justice Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 821 106 E4 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 822 146 E4 +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 823 147 More 4 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 824 734 CITV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    8 825 705 Cartoon Network +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1001 605 BBC Parliament Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1002 187 Paramount Network Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1003 862 BBC ONE Scotland Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1004 864 BBC ONE Wales Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1006 119 ITVBe Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1007 700 Kids TV On Demand Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1008 755 Gems TV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1010 970 Television X Nightly Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1011 285 Food Network Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1012 273 PBS America Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1013 400 Virgin Movies & Store Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1014 123 Sky Arts Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1016 837 NDTV Spice Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1017 829 NDTV Good Times Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1018 417 TCM +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1019 802 Star Bharat Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1020 115 ITV2 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1021 118 ITV4 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1023 974 40+ Nightly Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    10 1025 972 Adult Channel Nightly Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1102 207 Sky Crime +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1103 164 Challenge Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1104 274 Forces TV Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1105 347 NOW 90s Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1106 220 Sony Channel +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1107 190 W +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1108 117 ITV3 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1109 174 ITV3 +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1111 246 Eden +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1112 737 Tiny Pop Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1113 189 Sony Channel Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1114 424 Sony Movies Classic Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1115 736 POP Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1117 148 CBS Reality Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1118 149 horror channel Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1119 808 SONY MAX2 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1120 200 YESTERDAY +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1121 201 CBS Reality +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1122 838 Islam Channel English Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1123 856 S4C Audio Desc Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1124 202 horror channel +1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1125 741 QVC Beauty Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1132 758 Project1 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
    11 1133 760 Project3 Hide Channel Hide Reversal
  • That table was just thrown together to see what you guys make of it. Perhaps the VM tech was tired after the first 11 transport streams and the HD channels and the rest will be added later. Maybe channels will be hidden from the EPG by default in future and only displayed if the reversal flag is present. In theory, "Hide Reversal" without "Hide Channel" should actually hide the channel, think of it as a 2-way switch.

    Then again, it could all be rolled back tomorrow. It doesn't really look like a list of channels being withheld, unless VM want to lose those customers

  • Utterly bizarre. It's a shame Spiderplant doesn't come here, because he would know that. In fact he's probably the one who presses those hide channel/hide reversal buttons in the first place.

    This stuff goes over my head anyway these days, but the only thing that's just popped into my brain is this could be in preparation for the migration to the Horizon software, but otherwise, no idea.

    Thanks for the info jj. Certainly keeps us guessing!

  • Utterly bizarre. It's a shame Spiderplant doesn't come here, because he would know that. In fact he's probably the one who presses those hide channel/hide reversal buttons in the first place.

    This stuff goes over my head anyway these days, but the only thing that's just popped into my brain is this could be in preparation for the migration to the Horizon software, but otherwise, no idea.

    Thanks for the info jj. Certainly keeps us guessing!

    It makes as much sense as someone switching off the light at the top of the stairs with the switch in the hallway, then walking up the stairs and switching it back on with the switch on landing. That's effectively all that has happened.

    The thing is, do some boxes have the "upstairs light switch" disabled? It was never enabled on the SD only legacy boxes withdrawn from service. So "hide channel" could be used on those to take MPEG-4 channels off the EPG of those boxes, with "hide reverse" adding them back to the EPG of newer boxes.

    That sort of thing shouldn't really be needed any more, e.g. HEVC channels can be seen on the Tivo, which can't decode them, but conditional access "pack codes" block the channel. The 2 way switch method is a bit clumsy.

    BTW Spiderplant probably calls the flags something completely different. There are 2 bytes in the EPG descriptors which effectively are used to switch things on and off. Each byte can have 8 switches. There is a third byte sitting between them which is seemingly unused and could also be used for switching. Another byte sits between them but I think (from memory) that it is used for the USID. But... you don't really need to know any of this, we had to break it all down to figure out what happens when the codes change.

  • Manually insofar as the data has to be put into the system but probably assisted by some sort of scripting language. The SDT table will be updated and the new descriptors will be effective when the table is refreshed.

  • Utterly bizarre. It's a shame Spiderplant doesn't come here, because he would know that. In fact he's probably the one who presses those hide channel/hide reversal buttons in the first place.

    This stuff goes over my head anyway these days, but the only thing that's just popped into my brain is this could be in preparation for the migration to the Horizon software, but otherwise, no idea.

    Thanks for the info jj. Certainly keeps us guessing!

    Maybe SP could be invited to join? It might be better coming from the site owner.

    He might be happy to explain some things, but obviously won't be able to say anything that breaches company confidentiality.

  • According to the scanners, a further 208 services have had the hide and hide reversal flags added so, erm, that should be everything. *shrug*

    There's no analysis available, so I'll wait for tomorrow's analysis and see if they roll everything back. :D

  • The scan analysis showed that the changes didn't get rolled back. A couple of NIT Linkage changes at TTA Knowsley DMC (Hayes_RHE), presumably with the rest of the NIT Linkage changes to follow later in the day.

  • The channels left behind without hide and hide reversal flags:

    TSID SID EPG Service Name
    7 714 0 Live Events Channel
    27 2703 105 Channel 5 HD
    101 10101 101 BBC ONE London
    101 10102 101 BBC ONE West Midlands
    101 10103 101 BBC ONE North West
    101 10104 101 BBC ONE Yorks & Lincs
    101 10105 101 BBC ONE Yorkshire
    101 10106 101 BBC ONE East Midlands
    101 10107 101 BBC ONE East East
    101 10109 101 BBC ONE Wales HD
    101 10110 101 BBC ONE Scotland HD
    101 10111 101 BBC ONE West
    101 10112 101 BBC ONE South East
    101 10113 101 BBC ONE South
    101 10114 101 BBC ONE South West
    101 10115 101 BBC ONE NE & Cumbria
    101 10116 101 BBC ONE Oxford
    101 10117 101 BBC ONE East West
    101 10118 101 BBC ONE NI HD
    101 10119 102 BBC TWO HD
    101 10120 102 BBC TWO Wales HD
    101 10122 102 BBC TWO NI HD
    101 10128 102 BBC TWO HD
    101 10161 103 ITV
    101 10162 103 ITV
    101 10163 103 ITV
    101 10164 103 ITV
    101 10165 103 ITV
    101 10166 103 ITV
    101 10167 103 ITV
    101 10168 103 ITV
    101 10169 103 ITV
    101 10170 103 ITV
    101 10171 103 ITV
    101 10172 103 ITV
    101 10173 103 ITV
    101 10174 103 ITV
    101 10175 103 Ulster TV
    101 10176 103 ITV
    101 10177 103 ITV
    102 10215 103 STV HD
    102 10218 103 STV HD
    102 10219 103 STV HD
    102 10222 104 Channel 4HD
    102 10223 104 Channel 4
    102 10224 104 Channel 4
    102 10225 104 Channel 4
    102 10226 104 Channel 4
    102 10227 104 Channel 4

    So, basically the main 5 PSB channels and the Live Events Channel (do any of the current boxes actually display this?).

    All other channels either have the hide + hide reversal flags or just the hidden flag as they are off-EPG.

  • The scan analysis showed that the changes didn't get rolled back. A couple of NIT Linkage changes at TTA Knowsley DMC (Hayes_RHE), presumably with the rest of the NIT Linkage changes to follow later in the day.

    https://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=C0…9&sec=0&lang=en

    MB has stated that Get Moving HD is broadcasting on CO72 (alongside Premier 2 HD, Virgin TV Highlights, Sky Sports Racing HD, LaLiga TV and Sky Comedy HD).

    Any sign of this in the scans?

    He also thinks that VM are launching Get Moving HD in MPEG4 due to channel 997 being the only channel still broadcasting in MPEG2.

    I must admit, I had assumed that all channels were now MPEG4.

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  • https://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=C0…9&sec=0&lang=en

    MB has stated that Get Moving HD is broadcasting on CO72 (alongside Premier 2 HD, Virgin TV Highlights, Sky Sports Racing HD, LaLiga TV and Sky Comedy HD).

    Any sign of this in the scans?

    Probably on the raw / frequency scans but (if they are still being taken) they won't be checked regularly as the satellite scan workload is, umm, hectic. I'll ask around.

    I guess it takes some dedication noticing that sort of thing on DBR since the Manchester frequency changes, it looks a mess. A penalty of using "channel number" rather than the TSID ref.

  • I can't remember where I saw it, but I think I saw someone say recently that VM would be cutting old boxes back to just PSB channels to force the final holdouts to upgrade. So that would certainly explain this mass hide-flag addition.

  • I can't remember where I saw it, but I think I saw someone say recently that VM would be cutting old boxes back to just PSB channels to force the final holdouts to upgrade. So that would certainly explain this mass hide-flag addition.

    That would make sense but wouldn't those users just leave if VM removed the channels previously in their TV package? Probably not the best time to be losing users.

  • That would make sense but wouldn't those users just leave if VM removed the channels previously in their TV package? Probably not the best time to be losing users.

    If they keep getting offered the equipment to enable them to continue viewing their allotted channels and don't take up the offer(s) that's their fault.

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