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  • Media Boy says that DBR is reporting that Virgin are testing a new stream called CO88 and that it is carrying seven unknown channels.


    https://www.digitalbitrate.com…&liste=1&live=209&lang=en


    Could these be the new Sky UHD channels?

    Well, jj20 might be able to shed some light on that. I have no idea, but I do think that Sky UHD will come in August.


    What interests me even more is whether the additional programmes promised will include Sky Atlantic stuff. No reason why not. BT have been given Now TV which includes that, and Sky themselves have said it will be available on all major platforms in 2020.


    I'm not forecasting anything. Just sayin'...


    (But you know I'm right!)

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  • I'm a bit confused Old Boy, you seem to be reading something other than what I wrote (I'm writing this having had beer, so please excuse it may be impairing my interpretation here). At no point did I say you shouldn't start a new thread for that aim. I know this thread is very techie and I agree with you. I simply said the title you gave your new thread made it sound like it had the same content as this thread, and obviously it doesn't. :)

  • Channel 88 (810750 khz in Manchester) is outside the usual range of frequencies used on that headend. The spurious data there will, possibly, be noise. Maybe DBR should have a look at their setup.


    Those frequencies are only used in Carlisle & Eurobell SE (Crawley). Eurobell SW used to extend that far up the range but, in recent times has moved tv transport streams to lower frequencies (although mothballed TSIDs 31-34 have been dumped in that range on Exeter/Plymouth).


    The DBR data looks odd, for the moment, I'll go with the noise theory.

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  • Also.. it only seems to have been picked up on the 26th Jun 23:23 & 27th Jun 07:38 DBR scans. So a temporary noise issue?

  • Well, it can't contain 'recent' for a start. No, cheekyangus, we need a thread to consider what might happen, rather than what has happened. Additionally, most people don't understand all these scanning reports, which are gobbledegook to most of us, including me, and and I'm not sure about what these reports are actually telling us, to be perfectly honest. This is a thread for geeks, and I'm not meaning to be disrespectful, I love geeks!


    I am not attempting to demean anything that you and jj are trying to do on this thread, but I do think we need in addition a more understandable thread free of technical jargon that people can understand. I am not looking to replace anything that you guys are doing. I am sure this thread has a very loyal following.

    I'm happy for speculation based on gaps in the EPG data to be handled in another thread. ;)

  • I'm a bit confused Old Boy, you seem to be reading something other than what I wrote (I'm writing this having had beer, so please excuse it may be impairing my interpretation here). At no point did I say you shouldn't start a new thread for that aim. I know this thread is very techie and I agree with you. I simply said the title you gave your new thread made it sound like it had the same content as this thread, and obviously it doesn't. :)

    Sorry for any confusion! I was just responding to your post 2037. Apologies if I have confused the issue.

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    Edited once, last by OLD BOY ().

  • Changes made during Friday:


    SID 1106 Sony Channel +1 - showing closure slate - EPG Flags added: End of Service & Placeholder


    SID 2130 Project2 - Conditional Access flag in the SDT root changed to "encrypted"

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  • Usually weekend changes are just rebrands or changes to active hours, things that can be automated.


    Speaking of rebrands...


    Monday's changes:


    SID 1702 Sky Harry Potter HD (HarryPotHD) becomes Sky Star Wars HD (StarWarsHD) on EPG/channel 402.

    SID 3004 Sky Greats HD (GreatsHD) becomes Sky Villains HD (VillainsHD) on EPG/channel 404.

  • If they must do at all, then Sky should just have one channel where they do all the rebrands and leave the others alone.

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  • If they must do at all, then Sky should just have one channel where they do all the rebrands and leave the others alone.

    Or better still, none at all.


    Select & Greats are the "main" rebrand channels, Select being EPG 402 - I say that because 402 rarely uses the "Select" name nowadays, it switches from one rebrand to the next.

  • Or better still, none at all.


    Select & Greats are the "main" rebrand channels, Select being EPG 402 - I say that because 402 rarely uses the "Select" name nowadays, it switches from one rebrand to the next.

    It's actually pointless, really. Does Sky really think that people select what they want to watch according to the channel name? People choose content, not the channel name, surely?

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  • It's actually pointless, really. Does Sky really think that people select what they want to watch according to the channel name? People choose content, not the channel name, surely?

    I'd have thought that the "Select" and "Greats" names covered what they are doing without the tiresome rebrands but they keep on rebranding. I guess it gives them some extra publicity which may attract new viewers, probably those only interested in subscribing for a month while the temporary channel name is being showcased.


    It must get annoying for Ofcom, having to add and delete channel names from the licences this often.

  • It's actually pointless, really. Does Sky really think that people select what they want to watch according to the channel name? People choose content, not the channel name, surely?

    I always assumed that Sky did it to try and give the impression that they are continually adding new film channels.

  • No changes for Tuesday.


    Quite a few networks still have CDS / VOD stream changes to be scheduled if they are to be reduced to one VOD transport stream.

  • It's actually pointless, really. Does Sky really think that people select what they want to watch according to the channel name? People choose content, not the channel name, surely?

    Which is why the concept of channels is past its sell by date. Oops, wrong thread.:whistling:^^

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  • Which is why the concept of channels is past its sell by date. Oops, wrong thread.:whistling:^^

    The stupidity of temporary branding aside. OB's suggestion that people choose content actually gives weight to Sky's policy of lumping specific content on an individual channel for a fixed period of time. Maybe the rebrands are there just to "train" viewers to seek out specific content.


    That said, linear channels still have a long life ahead of them, with streamers adding linear channels to their packages and with new technology, such as DVB-IP and 5G Broadcast, paving the way for linear delivery long after the current transmission systems/platforms become obsolete. Some people just prefer their content pre-packaged and have no interest in seeking out and discovering content themselves.

  • ....linear channels still have a long life ahead of them, with streamers adding linear channels to their packages and with new technology, such as DVB-IP and 5G Broadcast, paving the way for linear delivery long after the current transmission systems/platforms become obsolete.

    We will see. I don't think people will take to watching linear TV like that in the future, but you never know. I don't personally know of anyone whose actually heard of the Pluto service. However, there is something to be said in favour of being able to select a programme on a linear stream and being able to see it from the beginning without prompting.


    Let me ask you this. If you subscribed to Now TV, would you seriously prefer to watch your programmes on live TV (which is a choice you can make), or select from the box sets that are readily available on that service?


    Why choose an option that requires you to wait for your programme and then have it constantly interrupted by ads, when you could have simply selected the VOD version and watched it from the beginning, with no ads?


    It's a no brainer for me...

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  • Some people just prefer their content pre-packaged and have no interest in seeking out and discovering content themselves.

    I think you are right about that. But if you could set your TV to display your favourite content provider so it was always first to display, what if the streamer simply selected programmes randomly based on your choices, and played without prompting, while allowing you to pull down the main menu with that programme still playing via PIP? That would overcome that problem entirely, and I'm sure the streamers will hit on that idea before much longer.

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  • The stupidity of temporary branding aside. OB's suggestion that people choose content actually gives weight to Sky's policy of lumping specific content on an individual channel for a fixed period of time. Maybe the rebrands are there just to "train" viewers to seek out specific content.


    That said, linear channels still have a long life ahead of them, with streamers adding linear channels to their packages and with new technology, such as DVB-IP and 5G Broadcast, paving the way for linear delivery long after the current transmission systems/platforms become obsolete. Some people just prefer their content pre-packaged and have no interest in seeking out and discovering content themselves.

    Yep, some people simply like to be spoon fed.

  • Old Boy, I'm thrifty and stubborn when it comes to certain things. 8o I would put up with ads to get TV shows for free.


    If the content was guaranteed to only ever be available on a streaming on-demand service I'm not against subscribing for a month, binge and cancel. But there is so much content in the World, I'm slightly more likely to just choose something else.


    As for some of the services you describe with algorithms guessing what I want to watch. I'm not keen. Many of the things in Life I've enjoyed the most (music/movies/books/TV/whatever) have been truly unusual, random, and unlike anything what an algorithm would possibly pick. Be it a whim, my gut or stumbling across something by, for instance, leaving a standard linear channel running in the background. I'm not going to get that from a service trying to guess what I want.


    And the user interfaces on all these on-demand services need a lot of work, even all these years later. There will be content there to be stumbled upon and loved, there's bound to be, there's lots of it, but it's not a great process trying to navigate to find it.


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    Back on topic...JJ20X has there been a regular pattern to how long VM keep channel closing slates up recently? It feels shorter recently, but it may be my imagination.

  • Back on topic...JJ20X has there been a regular pattern to how long VM keep channel closing slates up recently? It feels shorter recently, but it may be my imagination.

    About a week usually, even if that sometimes means VM removing them during the day if they miss the overnight update - although that might just be because the scans are sometimes taken before the 6am refresh.


    I'll answer some of the other points later, too busy tonight.

  • You can usually access lots of streaming services for free if you only want them for a month. I've read posts where people say that they've obtained another free trial by using another email address. Can't remember if they had to use another payment card though.

  • You can usually access lots of streaming services for free if you only want them for a month. I've read posts where people say that they've obtained another free trial by using another email address. Can't remember if they had to use another payment card though.

    I'm aware Richard, thank you. :thumbup:


    That's a point you've reminded me of though, I'm more in favour of payment gift cards for these services, but they don't all have that option.

  • Other than the die-hards determined to watch tv in its traditional linear form, and only in that linear form, I would think that most people would record anything they watch regularly and skip the ads. Or use on-demand. Fully streamed on-demand from some providers is still a problem for many users, with very limited access to subtitles and audio description (especially the VM VOD service, offering neither of these options) - so there is still a lot of work needed to reach that part of the audience.


    As far as Pluto goes, it's been around for a while, those that want to know about such services will have found it, others may take longer to discover it. I'm not so sure about the concept of knowing how many people in a specific social circle are aware of Pluto, it's not really a question most people would ask. That said, if people haven't discovered a streaming service such as "Pluto", or haven't bothered looking, doesn't that show a weakness of the streamers? If people aren't seeking out the services, how likely are they to seek out specific content? I would think, for many, that this is just too much hassle.


    Maybe, over many years, viewing patterns will change, we'll just have to see how that goes, we certainly aren't there yet. There doesn't seem to be a compelling reason, at the moment, for broadcasters to take a path that leads to an "on-demand" only future. Even VM offered linear showcasing for their exclusive content, presumably to reach the viewers that simply wouldn't seek out the content unless it was delivered in the linear format they are more comfortable with.


    All of the traditional UK broadcasters are offering linear channels alongside the on-demand content on their streaming platforms. For anyone with a smart tv, linear channels are probably more robust than they have ever been. If the transmitter fails, viewers can just switch to the apps and stream their linear tv.

  • I think you are right about that. But if you could set your TV to display your favourite content provider so it was always first to display, what if the streamer simply selected programmes randomly based on your choices, and played without prompting, while allowing you to pull down the main menu with that programme still playing via PIP? That would overcome that problem entirely, and I'm sure the streamers will hit on that idea before much longer.

    Is that actually how people want to watch tv? Sure, there are algorithms that can seek out similar content to programmes already being viewed. What if the viewer doesn't want more of the same and is watching a mix of linear channels because they offer a variety of content?


    Linear services deliver the content on a plate for the viewer. How many will want to go shopping at several stores and to prepare their own menu for a special meal when the local restaurant already offers an excellent service?