Boris forms Brexit crack squad. Will the UK leave the EU with a deal or no deal?

  • I cannot understand why Leavers keep quoting the referendum result yet are opposed to another referendum. Maybe they are scared of the likely result

    Nothing to do with being scared, it's simply a case of honouring the result of the referendum. Otherwise we'll become like Ireland and keep voting until the "correct" result is achieved.


    PS: Love your avatar. We have a Pets thread, if that's of any interest to you.:)

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  • Merkel: Backstop alternative 'possible within 30 days'

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel has suggested an alternative to the Irish border backstop - a key Brexit sticking point - could be found within 30 days.

    Speaking at a news conference alongside Prime Minister Boris Johnson in Berlin, she stressed it would be up to the UK to offer a workable plan.

    After Tusk's uncompromising remarks the other day, is this a chink in the "must have a backstop" armour of the EU? She didn't say no to a alternative, but she wants clarity on what future EU/UK trade relations would look like, except she would've had her "clarity" if the EU had allowed us to talk trade with them in parallel with the exit over these last two years.


    Boris meets Macron on Thursday and we all know how that will go, so Boris has got to decide whether he'll put effort into genuily trying to get a deal done with the EU in the short time left, or not bother. He's ordered our bureaucrats in Brussels to stop all EU meetings at the beginning of September unless it's something UK critical and concentrate on leaving. About time!

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  • casablancea. I was expressing a personal opinion and I made it clear I was expressing a personal opinion by use of the word 'I'. That's what forums are for, isn't it? If you don't like it ... tough.

    You miss my point. With or without "I", I would still assume it's your opinion (rather than your cat's) and, yes, of course, that's what forums are for, only a moron (or your cat) would think otherwise.


    "So what was his point?", I hear you cry so eagerly. It is that saying "I don't want it" is a vacuous and pointless opinion. It might work for as a way of summarily dismissing a suggested offer of a scarf, scent or lipstick (especially when the sales assistant doesn't give a toss what your reason was) but it doesn't exactly make your contribution in a forum enlightening. It could even be argued that such a response is symptomatic of a God complex, eg "I'm too superior and important to waste my time explaining to leer people the reason why I have dismissed that proposal". The only risk you run is that some people might wonder if you don't know the reason. But as you would say, that's just "tough"

  • I cannot understand why Leavers keep quoting the referendum result yet are opposed to another referendum. Maybe they are scared of the likely result

    Indeed, you DO understand why.


    It's also why Remainders favour - or least are okay about - a second referendum. Even if the result was still to Leave the EU, Remainers would be comfortable in the knowledge that the result would be, as before, "advisory" or "for the consideration of Parliament"

  • Nothing to do with being scared, it's simply a case of honouring the result of the referendum. Otherwise we'll become like Ireland and keep voting until the "correct" result is achieved.


    PS: Love your avatar. We have a Pets thread, if that's of any interest to you.:)

    "Honouring the result of the referendum"

    That was the result of the peoples vote, not all of whom registered actually voted

    In a similar way we have general election results over the past years, should we just accept the result of any one of them and stick with that result?

    No, it is the vote of the people that matters and that changes as quickly as the wind changes

    A Hand Up Not A Hand Out

  • After Tusk's uncompromising remarks the other day, is this a chink in the "must have a backstop" armour of the EU? She didn't say no to a alternative, but she wants clarity on what future EU/UK trade relations would look like, except she would've had her "clarity" if the EU had allowed us to talk trade with them in parallel with the exit over these last two years.


    Boris meets Macron on Thursday and we all know how that will go, so Boris has got to decide whether he'll put effort into genuily trying to get a deal done with the EU in the short time left, or not bother. He's ordered our bureaucrats in Brussels to stop all EU meetings at the beginning of September unless it's something UK critical and concentrate on leaving. About time!

    Merkel has played a political blinder, tossing the ball firmly back into Johnson's court. Preparing the ground for the eventual blame game

    I think we will leave at the end of October removing the need for Farage and his party so all their support will revert to the Tories. They already have a significant lead in the opinion polls, and as we are clearly being prepared for a general election it will quickly follow

    Tory win with a working majority

    A Hand Up Not A Hand Out

  • "Honouring the result of the referendum"

    That was the result of the peoples vote, not all of whom registered actually voted

    In a similar way we have general election results over the past years, should we just accept the result of any one of them and stick with that result?

    No, it is the vote of the people that matters and that changes as quickly as the wind changes

    Except it doesn't, not on this issue.


    If people don't vote, then they've got no reason to complain if they can't be bothered to get off their backsides.


    I don't understand your comments about the general election results??:/


    Merkel has played a political blinder, tossing the ball firmly back into Johnson's court. Preparing the ground for the eventual blame game

    I think we will leave at the end of October removing the need for Farage and his party so all their support will revert to the Tories. They already have a significant lead in the opinion polls, and as we are clearly being prepared for a general election it will quickly follow

    Tory win with a working majority

    Yes, that looks like how its going, but I would prefer to leave with a good deal, rather than a no-deal.

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  • Brexit: Backstop indispensable, Macron tells Johnson

    Boris Johnson has met Emmanuel Macron in Paris for Brexit talks, with the French president saying the UK's vote to quit the EU must be respected.

    But he added that the Ireland-Northern Ireland backstop plan was "indispensable" to preserving political stability and the single market.

    I hope the news channels will show the full press briefing that the both of them did, because going by what Macron was quoted as saying, it doesn't look too good although the body language in the clip between the two men looked positive, so not sure what to make of this yet.


    Am I right in thinking Boris is a fluent French speaker??:/

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  • Boris speaks Latin, French and Italian fluently, with passable German and Spanish.

    Blimey. I'm only proficient in two languages: English and profane.


    Nails the lie that he's not too clever.

    History is much like an Endless Waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.

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  • Victory for Boris?

    Boris Johnson raised his arms high in the air in an apparent expression of triumph this evening on his return from unexpectedly encouraging talks with European counterparts.

    Both Emmanuel Macron today, and Angela Merkel yesterday, gave the British PM a glimmer of hope of pulling off his plan to leave the EU with a deal which does not include the hated Irish backstop.

    Looks like Boris was happy when he returned from Paris last night. Perhaps we might yet get a exit agreement after all??

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