Will Boris get Brexit done?

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  • 1 I agree. Mistake to overrate the understanding of our electorate

    2 Teenage answer: whatever. Grown up answer: you're oversimplifying as well as deflecting my point about ambivalence
    Also, I gave you the answer over a year ago which put paid to tour London argument about confounding the split - I showed you the %'s by area - it was pretty straightforward - I hope you were asleep at the time because that at least would be a less embarrassing excuse!

    3 After leaving school I worked for my father who was a cabinet maker. I got good at it. It was a furniture colony just off Great Eastern Street - great vibes but that kind of skill trade eventually vanished - and me too

    4 I do sleep on occasion.

    5 Absolutely.

    6 Towards the end I think the Romans probably said something like that about their empire

    7 Hope so. Probably with our customary arrogance

    8 Glad you feel that way. Just like us, they're stubborn bastards. I just wish we had a fraction of their savoir faire

  • The suspension of parliament is no big deal as they usually swan off for and all expenses jolly in a plush hotel and conference at this time of year anyhow and there's no way they would want to miss out on that, so the cribbing about it is all playing up to the cameras and attention seeking.

  • Well the process was triggered for leaving the EU so unless the legislation surrounding that is meaningless we should be leaving the EU, mind you that should have happened when the first deadline came and went, it seems the only legislation tha carries any weight is that which prevents the UK leaving with no deal, funny how the courts only choose to uphold certain pieces of legislation, so much for impartial courts, eh! ;)

  • Keep up Ron!:P

    The legislation passed yesterday forces Boris to either leave the EU with a deal or request an extension to article 50 with the effect that the EU will not bother negotiationing anything now, so no, it is far from clear that we'll leave on the 31st.

    I hope that there's a cunning plan (Not the Baldrick kind ^^ ) otherwise why did the Tory lords not filibuster the Benn bill?

    Don't know, but I think Boris just wanted the MPs gone, so the government can think about what to do next without all the distractions.

  • Parliament has officially been suspended for five weeks, with MPs not due back until 14 October.

    Amid unprecedented scenes in the Commons, some MPs protested against the suspension with signs saying "silenced" while shouting: "Shame on you."

    It comes after PM Boris Johnson's bid to call a snap election in October was defeated for a second time.

    Saw a bit of this on tv last night, what a fooking scene.:thumbdown:

    The Labour MPs voted against an election, then tried to prevent Bercow getting out of his chair to begin the prorogation ceremony.

  • Keep up Ron!

    Well considering how long they have been fucking about for it no wonder its not clear what the fuck is going on, we need rid of the rabble of shit that is parliament, only problem is they will just get replaced with another rabble of shit, we need a modern day Guy Fawkes and crew just hope they are successful this time around.

  • Corbyn on the soap box now. No deal Brexit will help the rich get richer is his opinion. Really? I thought it was a disaster that was going to plunge Britain into endless poverty and misery. Apparently not. It's going to help people get rich. Things are really desperate when a Socialist decides he should threaten a nation with success. ^^

  • As Bercow leaves so does Harriet Harman put her name down in a race to replace him . Harriet Harman as Speaker? =O

    The rumours going around are that Bercow wants his replacement chosen while the Commons is still full of Remainers.

    The resistance to a GE, and the Remainers determination to get another Remainer Speaker BEFORE a GE is very telling! They fear the electorate, and so they should.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • An interesting article on John Redwoods blog today, which transcribes his speech in the Commons.

    My speech during the debate on the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019 (Rule of Law)

    Here is an excerpt:

    This is no normal law. A normal law applies to everyone in the country equally, there are criminal penalties for those who break the law, and we wish to see the law enforced. This is not that kind of a law. This Act of Parliament is a political instruction to our Prime Minister about how he should behave in an international negotiation. Normally, this Parliament takes the view that international negotiations are best handled in detail by the Government, and we the Parliament judge the result by either approving or disapproving of it.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • Shocking scenes in the Commons last night with Labour's thugs running riot, so much for democracy

    At least Emily Thornberry has clarified their position, Labour will renegotiate a Brexit deal and then tell the EU that we will remain

    Is that clear !!!!!!!!!!!

  • Shocking scenes in the Commons last night with Labour's thugs running riot, so much for democracy

    At least Emily Thornberry has clarified their position, Labour will renegotiate a Brexit deal and then tell the EU that we will remain

    Is that clear !!!!!!!!!!!

    It was absolutely disgusting and what the BBC and other outlets failed to report was that some Labour MPs also sang the Red Flag song. Rees-Mogg told the conservative MPs not to re-enter the Commons after the ceremony in the Lords, although I think that was more to do with snubbing Bercow than the Labour MPs.

    I saw Ms Thornberry aka "I love White Van" on breakfast tv this morning. Piers Morgan, another pompous prat, was tearing her into peices over this and rightly so.

    The fact is and remains until/if we get a GE, is that a majority of MPs want to stay in the EU and will do anything to block it and at the moment it looks like they've succeeded.

    An interesting article on John Redwoods blog today, which transcribes his speech in the Commons.

    My speech during the debate on the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019 (Rule of Law)

    Here is an excerpt:

    This is no normal law. A normal law applies to everyone in the country equally, there are criminal penalties for those who break the law, and we wish to see the law enforced. This is not that kind of a law. This Act of Parliament is a political instruction to our Prime Minister about how he should behave in an international negotiation. Normally, this Parliament takes the view that international negotiations are best handled in detail by the Government, and we the Parliament judge the result by either approving or disapproving of it.

    Thanks for that, Fidget. I knew it was a political move, but I didn't know the whole law was not a real one. I wonder then if Boris has a case to go the Supreme Court and try to get the law overturned? He might bump into his own friend John Major and Gina Miller while there.:)

  • I think that's the idea. They want people to get so worn down with all this that they give up and surrender. It's important to be as strong and resilient as a dung beetle rolling a blob of crap up a hill in order not to succumb to their tactics.

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