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    Little Wing


    I have merged three of your threads and one of mine into here to create a central topic about the demise of Zuma and the rise of the opposition against him. All the other threads were on the same/similar themes. Better to have fewer threads with more replies, than lots of threads with few or no replies.


    The topics merged into here are:


    Zuma loses - South Africa wins - by Little Wing

    Zuma survives no-confidence vote - by Horizon

    A Shadow Criminal State - by Little Wing

    South African opposition leader deported from Zambia - by Little Wing

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  • Guptas to be investigated by the FBI.

    JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - The FBI has opened an investigation into U.S. links to South Africa’s Guptas, escalating a scandal over the family’s alleged use of a friendship with President Jacob Zuma to control state businesses, the Financial Times said on Thursday.

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  • There was another story in the week related to the Guptas too, which I'll find and post. I've got about two dozen stories from last week just to catch up on!


    The sooner Zuma is gone from your country, LW, the better. How can a country develop when there are cockroaches and leeches at the top?

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  • The people keep voting for them. :(

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  • That's the problem in a nutshell whether it's this despot or others, we're not really talking about one person, but many. No individual, however cruel or corrupt, can rule without support of significant numbers of people.

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  • That's why it's important to speak out, but be warned that when and if you do, the despot's flunkies and trolls will go after you with everything they've got.

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  • Ah, here we go, here's the story I was talking about:


    UK financial regulators and the Serious Fraud Office are to review if banks HSBC and Standard Chartered are linked to a South Africa corruption scandal.


    It comes after Lord Peter Hain said the banks may "inadvertently have been conduits" for laundered money.

    The Labour peer told the House of Lords that up to £400m of illicit funds may have been moved by the banks.

    His concerns relate to links between South Africa's President Jacob Zuma and a wealthy business family, the Guptas.

    HSBC and money laundering, who would have thought it? It's not as if they've ever been involved in such things before (Mexican drug gangs) is it?


    The sooner this mess is sorted out, the sooner some of this money might start flowing into the hands of South Africans who really need it.


    Clearly, the Guptas were given a free hand by Zuma in return for his "cut" of the slush funds.

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  • Yep, the opposition is trying to get him to court for State capture and corruption.

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  • Billions thrown away while 4 children a day die of starvation in SA

    South African Airways (SAA) is a black-hole robbing South Africans of resources that could be better used in areas such as job opportunities, education, service delivery, and poverty and hunger alleviation.


    Four children die a day of hunger, but the ANC government would rather spend R35 billion of the people’s money to continue flying their rich friends across the country and abroad.

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  • :(X(


    It's why the Guptas scandal is so appalling, their actions have real effects.


    In what was a very advanced, modern country, to have four kids die a day of starvation is appalling. I bet Mugabe's kids/grand kids don't have empty bellies.

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  • Apparently they are in SA, whooping it up. It was in their fancy hotel room that the SA model is said to have been wacked on the head with a cable by Grace Mugabe. They're a truly charming family.

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  • The ruling elite doesn't want anyone to know that 4 children a day die of starvation in SA. Removal of billboard. Democratic Alliance pursuing legal action.


    It is clear that the ANC has been deeply shaken by truth told by our billboard and have therefore used PRASA as a soldier in their war of hiding the truth from thousands of South Africans who pass through Park Station on a daily basis.


    South Africans are begging for a new beginning and the billboard allows South Africans to make an informed decision when they head to the ballot box in 2019. Gone are the days of the ANC lying and looting without consequence.


    :thumbup:

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  • 52 South Africans murdered, 109 raped and 46 hijacked every day.

    Today’s release of the Annual Crime Statistics shockingly revealed that violent and organised crimes tragically continue to increase and there have been 52 murders, 109 rapes and 46 hijacking victims every day in South Africa.


    This is in large part, a direct result of the chronic under-training, under-staffing, under-resourcing and under-equipping (the four U’s) of the South African Police Services (SAPS), combined with crime intelligence-in-crisis and detectives-in-distress. This means that the SAPS is unable to tackle organised crime and the syndicates who drive it and lack a strong, skilled investigative capacity to ensure high detection and conviction rates.

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  • Apparently they are in SA, whooping it up. It was in their fancy hotel room that the SA model is said to have been wacked on the head with a cable by Grace Mugabe. They're a truly charming family.

    I wonder if Gina Miller has ever been invited to dine with them? (whoops, she who shall never be named8o)

    52 South Africans murdered, 109 raped and 46 hijacked every day.

    It's appalling, LW. At that rate, there won't be anyone left.


    Would I be right to assume that the bulk of this is happening in the slum/township areas? (That's about as politically correct as I can put it!)

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  • Unfortunately not, H. It's happening everywhere. The poor are unable to afford security so they get whacked, but often they take the law into their own hands in frustration at the situation and I remember a black lady who cut off the privates of someone who raped her daughter. She was a big strong mama and she threw the offending bits onto the roof of her shack. The police came round after finding the culprit in hospital and she showed them where the parts were.


    One of our friends was attacked in her driveway and the attackers were about to cut off her finger when the wedding ring they demanded wouldn't come off easily. Life is extremely depressing and incredibly dangerous for everyone. We tend to confront it with a determination not to be undermined by it, but it is very exhausting. One of the opposition's big campaigns is to highlight the lack of police support from the government. This has been a problem since the crumbling years of the apartheid regime. Crime was eating into everyday life already in the 1980s. I had a shop then and was afraid every day I would be attacked in it. Shops had already begun to put electronic gates at their shop doors when I closed by beloved little boutique. I can't enter the dentist's rooms without being let through one of these doors.

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  • Are the criminals still pouring across the border, or has that been stopped, LW?

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  • Hard to stop it, H. People come across in desperation and some are bad and others are running from hopelessness and poverty only to find that it is here when they get to SA because the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the border. A Zimbabwean was saying this to Mr Wing on Saturday. He said people in Zim tend to think SA is a place where there is lots of work. The reality is something completely different.


    Migrants actually mostly have a bad time and suffer from being uprooted. Encouraging it is, in my opinion, an irresponsible way of pulling your own chain on the Brownie points scale.

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  • I'm sure he did! It's a fantastic country full of great people, especially if you don't have to live in an informal settlement or get carjacked in your driveway. The place itself is terrific. I'm hoping you and your family will eventually take a holiday here. You'll love it too. The crime is just a huge problem made far worse by the government. Keep us all in mind for the 2019 elections. If the Democratic Alliance were to win, SA would be put back on the road to normality.


    Today, and recently, Kenya's opposition has also been in the news. The opposition leader said a very astute thing concerning the problems in African countries today (at the very least as I feel his words are a good description of what is happening elsewhere as well):


    He said that countries are suffering from the problem of elected autocracies. Perfect description. In a nutshell. :thumbup: He has announced a parallel government because he can't get round the incumbent dictatorship. A lot like Catalonia and the Kurds. Hope he survives because Africa needs leaders like this, and those who speak out against the abuse of power are very brave.


    http://news.sky.com/story/oppo…political-crisis-11098342


    South Africa has an opposition leader like this too, in Mmusi Maimane.

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  • On a positive note a friend of mine just came back from 2 weeks fly/drive holiday in SA - absolutely loved it.

    I bet they did. I've only explored the country via Google's street view (ain't technology a wonderful thing?) but I'd love to go the country one day.


    It's also one of the reasons why I merged several SA topics into this one, as the title of this thread is positive and the others were negative.


    "Eliminate the negative, accentuate the positive" is my motto.:)

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  • You'll be most welcome if you visit, H. We're very friendly here. :)

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  • Questions about farm murders answered.


    This is a very good article. I have gone out of my way to explain the situation to various right wing activists (and racists) from Britain who have, over the years, disregarded my comments and called me a lefty and other unmentionable names.



    I hope that these will eat crow now and read this article by Frans Cronje, CEO of the Institute of Race Relations and finally see that what I was telling them is exactly what he is telling people now.


    https://www.news24.com/Analysi…kmonday-answered-20171101

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  • Goodbye, Mugabe in Zimbabwe. Our turn now ...

    The ANC is in an untenable political crisis, Zuma must step down – stalwarts ANC stalwarts and veterans have once again called for President Jacob Zuma to step down with immediate effect.

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  • The BBC said yesterday that Zuma wants to install his ex-wife as next president thus ensuring he does not get arrested and it protects the interests of his children and future heirs to the "throne." So even his own ANC supporters are nervous, as they do not want to create a family dynasty ruling the country, a bit like a royal family in all but name.


    Lets see what Zuma does. Probably ignore everyone.

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  • Hope it all works out well for SA.:thumbup::thumbup:


    The country is far more advanced than Zimbabwe, and has a lot going for it, so no reason why it shouldn't be properly run like any other democratic country in the world.

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  • Simmering here. Today an ANC activist was shot dead in KwaZulu/Natal. There is a book out by journalist Jacques Pauw on the State Capture scandal and the government is doing its best to suppress it and get it off the shelves. I suspect we are headed for trouble and may have a hoofing out of Zuma by the ANC. Many in the ANC are fed up with him, the country is with them on this and the opposition is growing. Who knows what's in store.


    I'm rather nervous, but there's nothing I can do. Have to just roll with whatever happens.

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  • LW, just going back to the MDC for a minute, are they a different tribe to the ANC, or is their only difference a political one?

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  • ANC are mostly Xhosa dominated. They include all socialists but the Xhosas get all the plums. The MDC I don't know about but they won't be Xhosa.


    The democratic movements in Africa tend to be inclusive and non-extremist. The old guard don't want to let them in because they know they are the future. Old guard politicians world wide tend to rely on stirring the old socio-political broth. You get this with British old guard Labour as well. "Us and them" politics, whereas today, people don't fit into those old grooves any more. There is no old style "class". It's getting mouldy and tedious to hear it spouted at every opportunity and the younger generation don't care for it. The class card, the race card, the religious card. Boring. In Africa, the youth want to progress, get educated and live as citizens of the world as well as free citizens of their own countries. And they're doing it, despite their problems.


    I think people are just basically sick and tired of all the endless prejudice that is the past. Tomorrow belongs to everyone and there is a lot to do to try and save earth from humanity. Bothering about ancestral hatred and historical strife is really just wasting precious time and filling people's lives with unnecessary animosity.

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