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  • They already know what he's like. The journalists are getting ready to join the company for an announcement at five.

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  • He tweeted "its a boy" half an hour ago.

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  • Well "comrades" we have the answer. Cyril wins.

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  • I hope he's better for your country, then the previous guy.


    The fact that he basically tweeted the result half and hour before the announcement, I find very telling, in that he doesn't give a damn about procedures.


    Good luck with the new bloke, LW!

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  • There was a recount of votes before the announcement because Zuma's former wife was miffed she didn't win. Someone sang "I am a communist" and the ANC is divided from top to bottom and among its support concerning the end of the Zuma term. The Guptas will be excreting square bricks as their host has been replaced with someone who will most likely tell them to take a hike. It is rumoured that the party could actually split before the general elections. (Could South Africa be this lucky?) This is almost certainly a catastrophe for the BBC and they are already looking a little sad that their comrades have screwed up to such an extent they may disappear and be replaced by democrats, but they will just have to suck it up. Africans aren't as thick or as useful as Euro commies think they are. I'm thinking of sending a box of tissues and some sorrow candles and perhaps a teddy bear or two and some love balloons to the BBC to help them over the hump as their cherished dreams of running the world like a kindergarten go up in smoke.


    Mr Wing was in a small town again yesterday at the Home Office there and outside the Democratic Alliance were leafleting. He gave them a thumbsup. ^^

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  • Perhaps the ANC might even disintegrate totally and give some other group a chance. At the moment SA is still a one party state, until the Democratic Alliance or someone else gets the chance of power.

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  • I've just read the most ridiculous of things. Ramaphosa might suffer a setback if he pursues his anti-corruption agenda.


    Pardon????


    Oh wait, it's the ANC, they tend to be comedy gold on these issues. :rolleyes:

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  • Plus, he's waist deep it in himself. If he starts throwing the brown stuff at people, he might in return get a load back heaped on him.

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  • Well, I don't support the ANC and so am hoping the Democratic Alliance succeeds. Everywhere they are governing on a local level, things are improving. Housing that has been neglected for 20 years is being delivered, water pipes are being put in or fixed, policing is getting their attention. All good, but they need to govern to get the real deal to the people and the only way for that to happen is for the electorate to be brave enough to give them a chance.

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  • The question is will the ANC allow them to govern if they win the next election?


    In Zim, the other party won the election several years ago, but that didn't stop Mugabe.

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  • The ANC won't be able to stop the DA if it wins the election. South Africa isn't quite that bad - yet. The ANC has tried to have a vote of no confidence passed with regard to the Johannesburg and Nelson Mandela Bay mayors (who are DA) but this failed. Sour grapes with them.


    The business world will be alight with glee today at the news of Ramaphosa's win. What one should look out for are criticisms by the DA and various watchdog groups. We will soon know whether things are going to get better or simply have paint over the cracks. There will, I think, be a bit of in-fighting in the ANC over this win. Have to see how that pans out for them with an election so near.

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  • Could be like the situation that may happen in the UK. If the Conservatives fall out big time over Brexit, as I think they will, that will open the door to Corbyn. If Zuma's supporters can't bare to put their weight behind Ramaphosa and the ANC splits, that could open the door to the DA.


    Of course the "little" difference is you might want the ANC to split to allow the DA in, I don't want the Conservatives to split and allow Corbyn to gain the throne.

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  • No, in your case they are shooting themselves in the foot as usual. Politicians don't think very well, they're all personal gung-ho and too little aware of the electorate upon whom they spit from a dizzy height most of the time.

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  • ANC not exactly filled with happy campers at the moment. Some are moaning about under representation and a lot of huffiness is present as Ramaphosa is expected to kick some arse and they don't feel like any discipline after so much glorious corruption.

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  • Okay, Ramaphosa starting off on the wrong foot as far as I am concerned by supporting and promising to implement the land expropriation policy without compensation. He has claimed this will not ruin the economy.


    So - just another Mugabe then in that respect. He praised Zuma's legacy. Really? What legacy? State capture? Reversed racism? Failure to deliver to those who need it most?


    Nope, all the ANC seems capable of delivering now is the same old song about taking land. That killed Zimbabwe's economy and it will put the final nail in the coffin of the SA economy. Stupid route to take. Not even unwise, just plain stupid.


    But this gives the Democratic Alliance a good chance of criticising him for falling into the tracks of his predecessor and not climbing out of a hole the way Zim seems to be trying to do. This points to the ANC itself. Ramaphosa isn't powerful enough in the party to keep his cred so he has decided to take it out on the farmers. The colonial excuse again, the race card and the lame blame avenue. Instead of promising to build schools, universities, hospitals and deliver on housing and services, he simply bangs on about how evil whites stole land. They bought their land. They aren't colonials, they are south Africans. It's 2017. They farm scientifically in soils that are highly unproductive and so taking this away from those who grow your food so those who have no training but will vote for you and spread your hatred can sit around on dead fields, starving, is madness on steroids.


    Role on the next election. If the people fall for this crap, it serves them right, but as many are not literate enough to see the giant elephant in the room, Rams will probably try and sail through shark infested waters in a dinghy made of get out cards. Good luck with that. It didn't help Zimbabwe and it will not only finish South Africa, it will drag the ANC over a cliff of its own making and we will all have to go over with it.


    It is therefore vital that people vote this lot out in 2019 and give someone else a chance.

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  • New boss same as the old boss.:rolleyes:


    Unless the electorate take control in the elections and usher in some new blood it looks like the Zimbabe model is about to be dusted down for another round and consequent economic failure.


    Hope you have what wealth you own invested somewhere safe LW.

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  • Good news, I have no wealth. At all.


    Mr Wing has his small bit invested but all in SA as the exchange rate forbids anything else. Rams won't be as bad as Zuma, but this land grabbing is a problem and the communist party is a huge threat if the Democratic Alliance can't get in. There is the ghastly possibility of a commie government snatching victory from the broken jaw of the ANC. Then we will be in big, fat mucky stuff.

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  • Concern about land grabs and amendments to the constitution already high priority criticism:


    Agri SA warned on Thursday that should Section 25 of the Constitution be amended to allow for land expropriation without compensation, financial markets would divest and investor confidence in SA be shattered.


    As far as I know the gov needs 75% of the vote to alter the constitution. The ANC doesn't have this, so how does Rams intend to flout this law?

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  • Okay, Ramaphosa starting off on the wrong foot as far as I am concerned by supporting and promising to implement the land expropriation policy without compensation. He has claimed this will not ruin the economy.

    I'd kind of guessed he was going to do that when he leaked the result of his contest the other day. It shows he doesn't give a damn about proper procedures.

    It is therefore vital that people vote this lot out in 2019 and give someone else a chance.

    I've said my concerns on this. The ANC have held power since the apartheid era. If they lost the election, would they really cede power to others? I can only see things from a distance, but there is nothing in the ANC's actions, thus far, which indicates to me that they will step down if they lose the 2019 election and in the meantime Cyril can do plenty of damage.


    The colonial excuse again, the race card and the lame blame avenue. Instead of promising to build schools, universities, hospitals and deliver on housing and services, he simply bangs on about how evil whites stole land.

    I'll choose my words carefully here, but with AIDS rife among certain groups in Southern African countries, it could get to a point in the future when these groups will simply wipe themselves out with their own ignorance leaving the land up for grabs by whoever comes along and takes it.

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  • I'll choose my words carefully here, but with AIDS rife among certain groups in Southern African countries, it could get to a point in the future when these groups will simply wipe themselves out with their own ignorance leaving the land up for grabs by whoever comes along and takes it.

    No, that isn't happening. It didn't become what they said it would.


    I don't want this to happen. I want the Democratic Alliance to take power. At the moment the ANC is in transition. It is finally at war with itself.

    It would have to step down if the DA won because there would be open warfare if it did not. SA isn't Zim yet. I just think Rams has done a lot of damage by making land grabbing a major aspiration. It's a bad sign when someone is willing to attack sectors of the nation to make himself look like a hero. He'd be far more of a hero if he stopped being a very rich communist and did something practical for the people instead. Handing them chunks of land occupied by farmers who are growing the country's food is beyond stupid.


    I'm really disappointed in him so far. No big surprise there but as he is so wealthy and has been in business for so long you'd think he'd have got over the anachronistic communist thing by now and be better equipped to join the modern world. This idea they have that everyone wants to be a farmer is also crazy. Farming is difficult, unpredictable in our climate and few actually want to engage in it. Why these people can't leave those who like doing it and do it well to just do it and concentrate instead on bigger social issues like schools, training colleges and service delivery I don't know.


    Maybe land grabbing is just easy. It's also absolutely fascist, so I hope the scales fall off some eyes soon or we're stuffed.

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  • Well, I hope it won't go that way.


    Perhaps he's just playing to the crowd and doesn't mean it regarding the land grab. We'll see. But between now and 2019, it should be quite obvious which way the wind is blowing.


    You're there, I'm not, so if you reckon the ANC would step down if they lost the election, that's good news. I'm too far away to make any real distinction between the ANC, DA or anyone else. I don't see any real difference between them all.


    Although I was never a fan of Mandela, once he was out of prison, he chose to go down a certain route whereas Mugabe chose a different path for his country. Hopefully SA will come out stronger in the end and as I'm a optimist, that's what I'll bet on.:)


    Just on farming, do you know how much of SA's food is grown within the country, LW?


    Zimbabwe used to be a major food exporter until the "reforms" and now has massive food shortages.

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  • South Africa now has to import food. The farming industry has taken a knock. The farm attacks by criminals have done enormous damage. There are abandoned farm houses, and rusting windmills across the landscape. It's very sad. Many small towns have gone to pieces and the mining industry is in dire straits. One tries no to think about it, but it's very depressing. Especially as it's completely unnece3ssary.

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  • Oh dear. I just hope the land grab is hot air and he doesn't mean it. If the White farms and farmers are destroyed, that would be terrible for the entire country, not just for the minority but everyone. Surely he must know this??

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  • I'm gobsmacked at it and so are a lot of others. Have to wait and see but it's a very unpleasant thing to hear a politician say first thing off the podium of his election to the presidency. It must have made many farmers feel as though the final straw that breaks the camel's back has been delivered. I'm fuming. People are looking through dustbins for food and have no employment and here he is banging on about bloody colonialism in a Republic. :cursing:

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  • Again, I'll choose my words a little carefully, but when it comes down to it, each prefers their own. That will not change anytime soon despite the worldwide liberal agenda.


    I don't think you have anything to worry about within your lifetime LW, but long term, like in all other places around the world, people are rejecting multiculturalism. He's not really interested in what happened in the past, but how the future looks.

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  • Actually, in modern South Africa, we are one nation. There are many ethnic groups and that is how we got the name "rainbow nation", but the word "nation" is singular. South Africans fly the flag at every opportunity, love their country and are good people. They come together if there is trouble. There is no communist inspired division. I am hoping that all that foreign injected Marxist rhetoric will die a natural death and a democratic Parliament will be able to rule a democratic South Africa in future. Africans are not communists by nature or historical ideology and it doesn't suit their entrepreneurial spirit.


    The time to get rid of ancient baggage, especially when it originates from outside the nation, is a good idea and cannot be thrown out soon enough. We are all South Africans. That is a fact, no matter how much spin rich communists want to put on "colonialism". There hasn't been any "colonialism" since we declared ourselves a Republic in 1960. There has been legally instituted social injustice, but as that vanished with a new constitution when Mandela came in, there is no colonialism in South Africa. This is used by opportunistic elitists to mask their greed. They play upon poverty to get this right.


    Time to throw that out. Time to stop whining and making excuses. They are beginning to sound like British socialists. Do they want to be this? Really? They need to ask themselves if they would not rather be free Africans in a free, democratic Republic than the stool pigeons of a now fascist neo-liberal western world that is putting manacles on freedom wherever it sees fit and rules by indoctrinated guilt and secular humanism in order to own as many people's lives as possible. It snoops, it derides, it demands and it lays blame as soon as it suffers a fit of pique when anyone says "no thanks". It hates identity, it hates diversity and in that hypocrisy and bigotry it wants control through obedient conformity to its whims.


    We, down here, don't want that and it's something worth fighting against. Freedom from that is what is worth fighting for.

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  • Actually, in modern South Africa, we are one nation.

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    And I hope that remains the case, LW.


    SA is so far ahead of all the countries on that continent, it would be criminal if that were to change.

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  • I'm hoping for better times because yes we can. 8)

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  • South Africa's top court has found that parliament failed to comply with its duties in holding President Jacob Zuma accountable over a public funding case.

    The ruling said parliament must now set out rules for impeachment proceedings, but it remains unclear whether this will lead to any impeachment.

    Looks like the SA court has woken up from its slumber and is starting to feel confident knowing full well that Zuma will be out of office in 2019, but what took them so long? And more to the point, why hasn't parliament done anything about Zuma and his misuse of public funds, especially the $15m spent on his home upgrades. Obscene.X(

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