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  • BBC's Newsnight tonight had a major report on Zuma and his potential downfall. He seems like he still has widespread support in countryside areas though.

    Just think LW, our media might now just be starting to catch on about what's going on in your country, but you reported about it here first!

  • Thanks to your forum, H.

    Things are jumping over here. This past weekend has seen a huge gathering of Christians, praying for a better South Africa. SA is a roughly 67% practicing Christian nation. This means that most of the rest are nominal or lapsed Christians and a percentage are Hindus, Muslims and Jews, with pockets of Buddhists, pagans and atheists. So, the vast majority are the kind who attend church every Sunday and live Christianity-inspired lives. When they get together with a purpose and a common cause, thunder rolls because they are capable of uniting. This happened at the weekend when almost a million are said to have gathered on a farm outside Bloemfontein to hear an evangelical pastor speak on uniting all citizens against the things going on in the government that are having devastating effects on people's lives.

    Apparently, helicopters were landing with visitors every ten minutes on the day and supporters world-wide added their prayers, many from nations overseas. The leader of the opposition and his wife also attended as Mmusi Maimane is a Christian with a Bachelor's degree in Psychology and a Master's degree in Theology.

    So, another aspect of the popular uprising against corruption in government has lifted its voice. And it will be a voice that unites many more than mere ideology will. It clasps the issues significant to all people, no matter what their belief system might be. Demands for truth, dedication to service, honesty, and delivery come together in these sort of meetings with a great deal of power. The nation reverberated with evangelical fervour on that day and it will snowball. I've seen calls for smaller prayer meetings held in street communities and elsewhere since the big event. Everyone wants an end to the disgraceful conduct of the government. The people want social justice, economic opportunities, education, and a future for their children. And that is just the beginning of what needs to be done that has been neglected since Mandela left the political stage and the so-called Rainbow Nation fell into disrepute. "It's Time" has become a watchword for Change. Now, no one cares who you are or what you believe in. People are uniting under one banner and that is for the removal of a government and its rotten party that has quite literally emptied the coffers of a once economically powerful nation and created a political elite, financed and motivated by outside interests.

    The rural populace is afraid to rebel because they believe they will be worse off if they do, but they are wrong, they will be better off. They need to shed the old cloak of historical injustice and the false coat of many opportunities that was promised to them and join the nation in obtaining something that is actually going to work for them. Fear is always the tyrant's biggest whip. If the people lose their fear they become strong and, often, that strength and that confidence to do something instead of nothing is possible when people unite across their differences. One of the most powerful ways they can do this in South Africa is under the banner of Christ. So be it. If this makes them stronger against injustice and corruption, then may they be successful.

    In the long run what matters is whether the government is serving the people and not itself and its various flunkies. This is something that plagues nations world wide. We are hoping that SA can be a nation that stood up with one voice to injustice and corruption and neglect of duty, because what is important is not which political party you support, but whether or not you care enough about the fundamental issues of social justice to have the courage to Unite for Change.

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  • Caledonian Stadium gathering ended on a high note:

    Maimane suggested: “55 million of us are not going to be held ransom by one South African called Jacob Zuma”.

    Zuma responded by having a party and laughing at those 55 million South Africans.

    Next they will be debating the Vote of No Confidence in Parliament. Have to see if he's still laughing then ...

  • Just caught the last few minutes of a interview on BBC News' Hardtalk programme and it was SA's policing minster getting grilled. He was asked, "don't you think you're just like a member of the cabin crew of the Titanic going down with the ship." He obviously disagreed...:)

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    Just caught the last few minutes of a interview on BBC News' Hardtalk programme and it was SA's policing minster getting grilled. He was asked, "don't you think you're just like a member of the cabin crew of the Titanic going down with the ship." He obviously disagreed...:)

    Full interview here BBC radio player and download podcast. Valid for 29 days.

    A very good programme and the interviewer doesn't pull the puches.

  • It's a bit stunning to see Stephen Sackur doing an interview like this as he was so aggressive toward South Africans before that I used to call him Mr Sac Spider.

    You cannot, however, expect the Police person in the interview to say anything untoward about the Zupta regime. He'd be toast in minutes, like the others who were fired.

    Pretending that all that is needed is a little reform and the BBC lefties' favourite political party would be back on its feet again is also wishing for the moon. The ANC is thoroughly corrupt and Zuma is just the boil that appears when bacteria have created enough of a problem to make themselves manifest. It won't be long before we are all splattered with whatever has been brewing inside that boil over the past two decades.

  • Nerves are jangling among the despots of Africa as the real people, who have for so long been thoroughly crushed into submission by a variety of self-oriented graspers, demand justice and unify in solidarity to obtain it.

    Mmusi Maimane had no sooner landed in Zambia to attend the trial of Zambia's opposition leader than -

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    "They stormed the plane. Then things got a bit physical when they tried to remove Mr Maimane from the plane. When Mr Maimane tried to reach for his phone, his phone was confiscated by the legal authorities.”

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne…easons-20170525

  • I suppose it's not that much different in any country LW, except each country is at different stages of "development."

    We used to have just one all powerful gangster family here, and they're still knocking around in their palaces and castles... Then we got all the various lords, barons etc, and these days are cabals of powerful families whoo control various industries. So, I guess the only difference is SA has two all powerful groups, whereas the "love" is spread a little more wider here. No wonder extremists coming along whether it be communists, fascists or Islamists etc. It breeds them.

    I bet Zuma would get along well with Putin, same ilk.

  • Zuma is in the pooh at the moment. A second attempt at a vote of no confidence is being planned.

    I can't see him lasting, but you would flip if you could see the under the counter deals being done. Worth millions and in some cases billions as backhands for favours and sweeteners for friends. It's pretty frightening and the people from the opposition are very brave to take him on. The whole country is simmering with rage right now. Zuma is sitting there like Jabba the Hutt saying "what have I done wrong?" :rolleyes:

  • Unfortunately, the misery for many South Africans continues as Jacob Zuma, president of South Africa, has survived another no confidence vote against him. The eight one.

    Many South Africans are reeling under the corruption of the ANC government which has led to widespread poverty and stagnation of a once advanced economy.

    The vote was close, Zuma won by 198 votes to 177. It would take at least 50 of his MPs to vote against him for him to be chucked out.

    Whenever you have one group that dominates over another for such a long time, things eventually explode.

    BBC article

  • The opposition is not giving up on getting rid of the old crook. He'll go, I'm certain of it. His cronies may be terrified to lose their expense accounts and dodgy dealings but sooner or later the mother of all backlashes will go into action.

    Besides, Cyril Ramaphosa is gearing up to take the hot seat from him and he has some serious financial backing.

    Meanwhile, we are all going down the financial drain. Wish us luck as you wave us goodbye ...

  • ....our net debt is sky high, and we have an entire generation in the UK who have no concept of interest rates, let alone high ones. When that explodes, it maybe you waving us goodbye as we collapse into "our" own debts.

    As for Zuma, the BBC and others did highlight the fact that he won by quite a narrow margin, but he still won.

    Never heard of Cyril Ramaphosa, I'll shall google him straight away.

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