Leaked ambassador's messages scandal

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  • There was no "they", it was Trump who said he would not deal with our ambassador and has blocked his access to White House staff essentially making him redundant.

    It is MrTrumps right to block anyone , our man has claimed "dodgy Russians" , he deserves to lose his job as he had NO PROOF of this.

  • We've have to agree to disagree on this. Trump, as America's head of state as well as head of government, should rise above everything, instead he's a thin skinned toddler who throws twitter tantrums every five seconds.

    We will , last point from me is that if the standard of official information going back worldwide is the same as in this instance , God help our government .

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    I agree!


    At least in the Mail article, the ambassador gave no evidence of Russian collusion with Trump and I've already given my opinion about the Iranian issue, something Trump was talking about well before he became president.


    This ambassador, look all the civil service, is a rabid remainer and it seems that this leak has been orchestrated to damage relations between us and America, just at the time that are seeking a trade deal with the Americans. The leaker would know how thin skinned Trump is.


    If we don't get a trade deal out of the Americans, I hope the leaker will feel "happy" about themselves, because it will hurt him/her too.

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    Yes, timing is all. Another increasingly desperate play by arch remainers: Sour the relationship with the US so they can claim that we have to stay in the EU for a US trade deal to continue.:rolleyes:


    This is also the reason that the leak culprit will never be exposed as the civil service closes remainer ranks to protect him/her. Any police investigation will be met by a wall of silence. I guess this is why the police are going for the press instead.

  • This is also the reason that the leak culprit will never be exposed as the civil service closes remainer ranks to protect him/her. Any police investigation will be met by a wall of silence. I guess this is why the police are going for the press instead.

    They always go after the messenger, rather than the perpetrator, especially if the perpetrator is from the 'protected species', or is a person of influence. How many people in public office have been prosecuted for doing nothing about the grooming rape gangs ... for decades? I think the answer in NONE!

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

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    This is also the reason that the leak culprit will never be exposed as the civil service closes remainer ranks to protect him/her. Any police investigation will be met by a wall of silence. I guess this is why the police are going for the press instead.

    As I said, the Guardian was reporting that the culprit has been identified, but they need to build a strong enough case to bring the matter to court. As you say, the police will probably get little help in their investigation.

  • How do you work that out? Trumps refusal to cooperate with a biased diplomat hardly merits that statement. Has Trump said (or even hinted) that he wants to choose the UK ambassador? No. It's just more spin and lies. If you disagree, then please point me to the evidence.

    You took the words right out of my mouth! Totally agree

  • But that's the Point!! It wasn't indiscreet. It was in a confidential message.

    Unless the ambassador himself leaked this stuff, then no, he hasn't fuelled the fire as you state.

    The buck stops at the ambassador's desk. Clearly not enough secrecy provisions were implemented '

  • 1 I thought the intentional atomic agency (or whatever it's called) said that Iran was compliant with the deal until Trump ripped it up?? That's why Boris went to Washington last year to try and save the deal which has now resulted in this leak.


    2 I think Boris should've supported our ambassador*

    1 It was a ridiculous amount of money being handed to a mad evil rogue state as an incentive for them to be less mad, less rogue, less evil and, as a tangible demonstration of that possibly improved relationship, for them to not build up a nuclear weapon arsenal. I understood Iran had reneged on that agreement of peaceful-only nuclear development. But if what you say is true, that the atomic agency agency decided that Iran had kept to the peacetime only level of nuclear development before Trump teared up the deal, then I'm disappointed and concerned about that. Even so, if it stuck in Trump's craw to hand over a shitload of money to such a nation in return for not build nuclear weapon resources, I can understand his feelings. Iran was playing at nuclear blackmail. Need to explore this further


    2 For Boris to support the ambassador in this fracas would in effect have been agreeing with what the ambassador was revealed to be saying about Trump. That is tantamount to putting words into Boris's mouth and, worse than that, expecting Boris, as the next PM, to join Sir Kim in souring relations with America's government. I know you're not a Boris supporter but, frankly, if you were, I'm sure would think "with supporters like that who needs enemies?" and "is it even worth trying to improve Britain's position when thinking people thinks like that?"

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    2 For Boris to support the ambassador in this fracas would in effect have been agreeing with what the ambassador was revealed to be saying about Trump. That is tantamount to putting words into Boris's mouth and, worse than that, expecting Boris, as the next PM, to join Sir Kim in souring relations with America's government. I know you're not a Boris supporter but, frankly, if you were, I'm sure would think "with supporters like that who needs enemies?" and "is it even worth trying to improve Britain's position when thinking people thinks like that?"

    I agree. Boris needs Trump more than he this the remainer bureaucrat.


    1 It was a ridiculous amount of money being handed to a mad evil rogue state as an incentive for them to be less mad, less rogue, less evil and, as a tangible demonstration of that possibly improved relationship, for them to not build up a nuclear weapon arsenal. I understood Iran had reneged on that agreement of peaceful-only nuclear development. But if what you say is true, that the atomic agency agency decided that Iran had kept to the peacetime only level of nuclear development before Trump teared up the deal, then I'm disappointed and concerned about that. Even so, if it stuck in Trump's craw to hand over a shitload of money to such a nation in return for not build nuclear weapon resources, I can understand his feelings. Iran was playing at nuclear blackmail. Need to explore this further

    Here's a link to the Atomic Agencies news item back in June about Iran's complaince with the deal. What do you make of this quote from them?:


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    Since January 2016, the IAEA has been verifying and monitoring Iran’s implementation of its nuclear-related commitments under the JCPOA.


    “The Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of nuclear material declared by Iran under its Safeguards Agreement. Evaluations regarding the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran continue,” Mr Amano told the 35-member Board, which is holding its regular, quarterly session this week.

  • Wow. That quote tells us absolutely nothing! It just says verification is ongoing, but not what the findings were.


    I read somewhere that Iran had exceeded the agreed nuclear material, but it was 'only by a small %'!

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • Mods ... is every thread to be infected with Iran's problems?

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

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    We have a thread here for general Iran revival. Please confine that discussion there. I shall consider moving the last few posts to that thread in due course once I get the sleep out of my eyes.


    Now back to the topic of this thread. Thank you.


    [Edit] Off topic posts moved to thread shown above.


    Thread tidied.

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