Climate Change

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  • Not sure exactly where to put this thread as it covers so much. Like most sensible people I am concerned about climate change, and genuinely believe that what our specie have done is effecting our planet. That said, whilst we may kill off many other animals, as well as our selves, the planet will be around a long time after we have gone. I also believe that being such a small country, what ever we do will be a very small piss in a very large ocean. Anyway, to the point. Every element related to our destruction of the planet is directly to the size of our population. In short, the more resources we need, the more emissions we create, and the more damage we do. The strange thing is that even the most green of green political parties have chosen to ignore the most obvious fact, but why ?????????????????

  • Agreed, Bibbles. I find it confusing too.


    Maybe they need more workers and consumers in order to maintain the lifestyles of the elite. It's just virtue signalling and the 'rules' whatever they are, will only apply to the plebs, and never the powers that be. They'll carry on jetting around the world in their private planes, ordering take aways from countries hundreds of miles away, and short journeys will be chauffeur driven limo.


    It's all a big con. CO2 is lower now than it has been in distant times and the world didn't end. CO2 makes plants grow, and they convert it to oxygen, so maybe they think that is a bad thing for some reason??????????


    Nobody ever mentions de-forestation either. I wonder why? I suggest that they can't keep forests, dales, lakes, etc. and maintain the increase in the human population. It looks like the population explosion is the winner and must be defended against everything, including destruction of our habitat.


    Deforestation explained

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  • Yes, we desperately less people, but our government think it is a good idea to encourage people to have more children, rather than give people some sort of incentive to have less children. Their focus is to build a bigger and bigger economy, and they know this can not be done without the growth of our specie. Of course, this will have a negative effect on climate change, but despite politician after politician claiming they are concerned, it's rubbish. What the planet actually needs is a smaller population, with people who don't live to a ridiculous age. We need a smaller world economy, and people need to be less consumables focused. What we actually need is to step back 50 years, but keep today's technology. Will this happen, of course not. Apparently the world population will level out at about 11 billion, by which time most of the planets remaining species would have died out. Instead of focusing on the problem in hand, our governments would rather tackle the effects of the problems

  • The flaw in the CO2 was higher in the past is that is that humans evolved in the environment associated with current CO2 levels.

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    It was a natural process Ron, but it happened lot slower. The Earth has always had periods of being warm, then cold, then warm again etc, but man's activities are accelerating the warming bit. If the planet warms too quick, that threatens us all.

  • Oh I know that, I did pay some attention at school in the days when we were taught properly.

    I didn't realise I was talking to another who was educated properly, the 60s in my case.

    On an aside it always makes me laugh when people talk about 'saving the planet'.

    The Earth is perfectly okay, its us who have the problem.

  • I didn't realise I was talking to another who was educated properly, the 60s in my case.

    On an aside it always makes me laugh when people talk about 'saving the planet'.

    The Earth is perfectly okay, its us who have the problem.

    Your right that the planet doesn't have a problem, because it will be around a long time after us. Like I said in my thread, I don't really care about our specie, because we will only get what we deserve. What bothers me is the suffering other animals will have to go through as a result of our selfishness.

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    Nature can adapt though, to a point. We might not see polar bears soon, but other species will thrive instead.


    I didn't realise I was talking to another who was educated properly, the 60s in my case.

    On an aside it always makes me laugh when people talk about 'saving the planet'.

    The Earth is perfectly okay, its us who have the problem.

    True, but it's only us who can resolve it. All the other creatures in the world aren't polluting our seas and skies with various crap, it's just us and we're the only ones with the means to do something about it.

  • Bibbles, Horizon, the problem is that climate change, as yet, doesn't affect people at a personal level* so there isn't the political will to pay more than lip service to mitigation measures.When it does affect people at a personal level it will probably be too late. I'm a bit of a fatalist.



    *There are some exceptions,Whaley Bridge and West Cumbria in 2009 to name a couple.

  • The topography is as much to blame for flash floods as 'climate change'. The country is squeezing in new houses and new access roads everywhere, making that ground unable to soak up as much rain as previously. Houses are being built on flood plains, trees are being removed to make room for more housing, and the water has to go somewhere if it cannot go into the ground.


    Add in the lack of dredging (EU rules) and the rivers cannot cope. I would be distraught if I lived in an area that floods, or became an area that now floods.

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  • The topography is as much to blame for flash floods as 'climate change'. The country is squeezing in new houses and new access roads everywhere, making that ground unable to soak up as much rain as previously. Houses are being built on flood plains, trees are being removed to make room for more housing, and the water has to go somewhere if it cannot go into the ground.


    Add in the lack of dredging (EU rules) and the rivers cannot cope. I would be distraught if I lived in an area that floods, or became an area that now floods.

    I seem to remember reading somewhere that paving over front gardens for car parking is causing a significant increase in run off which increases the flood risk.

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    I seem to remember reading somewhere that paving over front gardens for car parking is causing a significant increase in run off which increases the flood risk.

    I believe it's now mandatory to put a drain at the edge of the paving that goes to a soakaway to prevent just this problem. However there are still existing installations that exacerbate flooding.

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    The topography is as much to blame for flash floods as 'climate change'. The country is squeezing in new houses and new access roads everywhere, making that ground unable to soak up as much rain as previously. Houses are being built on flood plains, trees are being removed to make room for more housing, and the water has to go somewhere if it cannot go into the ground.


    Add in the lack of dredging (EU rules) and the rivers cannot cope. I would be distraught if I lived in an area that floods, or became an area that now floods.

    The flood plain building is something that should've been addressed decades ago. I think that issue, more than ever of the other climate related issues, is the one that will come back to give us a nasty bite at some point. soon.


    And most of London has lost its front gardens now, where does the water soak into too? It's only over the last ten years or so with most of the front gardens going under concrete in my area, have I noticed the drainage system become overloaded in extremely heavy rain. It's only happened once or twice and the rain quickly subsided each time, but its scary to think what might happen in the future. I'm also close to the Thames as well, but just outside the "recognised" flood area for that.


    I won't go on too much about trees, it utterly pisses me off. Everyone hates trees in my area now and any opportunity to destroy them is taken, all because people can't be bothered to spend a few minutes clearing up some leaves from time to time.:cursing:


    Did't know about the EU rules on dreging, I will ahve to look into that futher when I get a chnace.


    I believe it's now mandatory to put a drain at the edge of the paving that goes to a soakaway to prevent just this problem. However there are still existing installations that exacerbate flooding.

    Can't speak to what the rules are, but generally in my area, thin strips of gravel or soil are put over the cemented front gardens. Personally, I don't think that helps at all.

  • This whole Greta Thunburg thing has been tried before you know. Our arrogant media comprised of left wing/socialist activists, feminists, Cultural Marxists and Intersectionalists with an average age of 27 and degrees in media studies and gender studies wouldn't remember of course because it was before their time. I am surprised that so many have been sucked in by the Thunburg thing. Here is the original Thunburg and the new Thunburg in a nice little comparison video, both are speaking to the UN one in 1992 and the other 2019.


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  • I thought you might find this interesting, given we are being encouraged to swap our gas boilers for heat pumps.


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