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  • I'm surprised that with this mob things haven't turned ugly, really ugly. Joe public only has so much patience

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  • Is that genuinely Extinction Rebellion or some other group using the name I wonder. It could be someone trying to give Extinction Rebellion a bad name. Quite a nice way to disrupt their activities and put a black mark against their name.

  • The police are too busy monitoring tweets

  • Topic please. If you wish to discuss Caroline's suicide I have moved the last three posts to anew thread in the entertainemtn forum.

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  • What are we going to do about all these floods This is getting serious now as there are places one would next expect to flood like Leatherhead. I bet the Thames barrier has been working hard and the only thing that has saved London. I think we need to start building houses on stilts.

  • What are we going to do about all these floods

    Well we need to start dredging the rivers again. At least the EU cannot stop us now.


    Stop building timber framed crap on flood planes.

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  • That really is the crux of the problem. We have either filled in or built on all the flood planes. Think how much tarmac and concrete is about too. The roads alone would have been dirt tracks years ago so they would have effectively been flood planes with drainage.


    I watched a documentary film earlier about the impact that humans have had and still having on the planet which made me think of this thread.


    Anthropocene: The Human Epoch (2018)


    Lithium and electric vehicles and other products we use lithium in is exchanging one environmental disaster for another


    The devastating environmental impact of technological progress

    https://www.wired.co.uk/articl…per-mining-atacama-desert

  • Well we need to start dredging the rivers again. At least the EU cannot stop us now.


    Stop building timber framed crap on flood planes.

    When did the EU stop us dredging rivers?

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  • When did the EU stop us dredging rivers?

    The Water Framework Directive 2000/60/EC is an EU directive which commits European Union member states to achieve good qualitative and quantitative status of all water bodies (including marine waters up to one nautical mile from shore) by 2015

    Maintaining the ecological diversity of a river is incompatable with dredging to maintain a good flow.

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  • Indeed there are many things that need attention as well as clearing out the water drainage courses. The concreting over of gardens has to stop. Water meadows must be allowed to flood naturally and limit the amount of water that is trying to get down the rivers. More trees in areas prone to run off. These are short term measures as any limit to climate change is likely to take decades to reverse if ever.

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  • Maintaining the ecological diversity of a river is incompatable with dredging to maintain a good flow.

    I don't see that as an edict to ban dredging, just the opposite in fact

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  • This is just one of any number of articles citing the EU water directive as the reason why dredging has been curtailed.

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  • This is just one of any number of articles citing the EU water directive as the reason why dredging has been curtailed.

    Yet for years the demand has been for the river Parret to e dredged has fallen on deaf ears at at waste of space aka Environment Agency

    Until the inactivity resulted in the very bad floods on the Somerset levels produced Cameron and then Prince Charles doing a photo opportunity there and subsequent start to te required dredging. It's still incomplete as it's being done at a snails pace, and it will not quicken now Eustace is at Environment

    No mention anywhere of EU bans, just no desire on our governments part. In fact I wouldn't mind betting that it is an urban myth put about by the likes of Farage and co

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  • For climate safety, we should work on tasks such as increase number of tree-lined streets, reuse everyday items, use of public transport.

    I think a lot of tree lined streets will be sacrificed for 5G as the antenna need clear lines of sight, I'm still not convinced we need more than 4G - somebody persuade me otherwise. Public transport is great if it goes where you are going at the time you are going there but outside of cities public transport is very hit and miss. Once we had an expansive rail network but more than half of it was ripped up to save money by a Labour government in favour of cars and lorries, seems like madness looking back doesn't it?

  • I think a lot of tree lined streets will be sacrificed for 5G as the antenna need clear lines of sight, I'm still not convinced we need more than 4G - somebody persuade me otherwise. Public transport is great if it goes where you are going at the time you are going there but outside of cities public transport is very hit and miss. Once we had an expansive rail network but more than half of it was ripped up to save money by a Labour government in favour of cars and lorries, seems like madness looking back doesn't it?

    If you want to ply the political game it was MacMillan and the Tories who commissioned the Beeching report and started to implement it

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  • What are we going to do about all these floods This is getting serious now as there are places one would next expect to flood like Leatherhead. I bet the Thames barrier has been working hard and the only thing that has saved London. I think we need to start building houses on stilts.

    We just need to stop building houses, full stop. If we manage our population, we won't need more housing.

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  • We just need to stop building houses, full stop. If we manage our population, we won't need more housing.

    There's plenty of land.it just needs government to start managing it properly

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  • There's plenty of land.it just needs government to start managing it properly

    I suppose you are one of these people who fly over the British countryside and think there is loads of space for houses, well there isn't. If we build houses, we need to build the infrastructure to go with them, and somebody has to pay for that. The additional housing also needs to have work nearby, otherwise we are just building ghettos. The housing needs to be paid for. By that I mean people who either buy the property, or pay to rent it, not people on benefits who will have it paid for by the tax payer. It also needs to be somewhere where it isn't going to upset the water table, and with the additional rain we are likely to get, there aren't going to be many more places. We should also not forget the beautiful countryside we are likely to ruin, let alone the wild life's habitat we will be destroying. Building more houses will have a negative ecological affect, and is likely to be on the doorstep of people who will be distraught by the construction. You see, we actually have more than enough housing. Try telling the thousands of people who have had a property on Right Move for the last two years that there isn't enough houses. What we don't have is enough houses for people to live in free of charge, and to be honest, I don't care if they have to live in tents !

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  • If we can afford HS2 we can afford to build enough houses complete with necessary infrastructure

    I don't believe we should build HS2, but that's another topic. I would argue the opposite though, if we spend over £100bn on HS2, we won't have anything left for housing. Surely that makes more sense.


    Remember this topic is climate change. Nobody can deny that biggest factor behind climate change is our specie. It is therefore logical that the fewer of us there are, the less impact we will have on the planet. Digging up millions of tons of lithium for car batteries, and putting inefficient wind turbines is a very small p155 in a very large ocean. I am going to be dead before the impact becomes unbearable, but all I can tell you is that the major nations attempt to do anything about this is futile.

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  • I suppose you are one of these people who fly over the British countryside and think there is loads of space for houses, well there isn't. If we build houses, we need to build the infrastructure to go with them, and somebody has to pay for that. The additional housing also needs to have work nearby, otherwise we are just building ghettos. The housing needs to be paid for. By that I mean people who either buy the property, or pay to rent it, not people on benefits who will have it paid for by the tax payer. It also needs to be somewhere where it isn't going to upset the water table, and with the additional rain we are likely to get, there aren't going to be many more places. We should also not forget the beautiful countryside we are likely to ruin, let alone the wild life's habitat we will be destroying. Building more houses will have a negative ecological affect, and is likely to be on the doorstep of people who will be distraught by the construction. You see, we actually have more than enough housing. Try telling the thousands of people who have had a property on Right Move for the last two years that there isn't enough houses. What we don't have is enough houses for people to live in free of charge, and to be honest, I don't care if they have to live in tents !

    You write as if we were running out of land, I think it's less than 10% of the land is actually built on so there's plenty available

    Flood plains - that's a planning issue, easily surmounted

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  • If we can afford HS2 we can afford to build enough houses complete with necessary infrastructure

    We won't have such a housing problem when we start controlling immigration, whereas we need HS2 to help people get around the country better, as other major economies such has France have done. If we want to be a global power, we must have all the infrastructure in place.


    You seem to base all your arguments on encouraging people to opt for Britain to become a backwater. Brexiteers have other ideas.

  • You write as if we were running out of land, I think it's less than 10% of the land is actually built on so there's plenty available

    Flood plains - that's a planning issue, easily surmounted

    You will find that 10% is far more than the vast majority of countries. Please read my last post, it's not just flood plains. How about farm land, common space, and wild life. In addition to the housing, the infrastructure has to be built to support the properties. The country is horribly overpopulated with the sole animal that is causing global warming, so the last thing we should be doing is encouraging further growth of the population by building more houses.

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  • True unfortunately

    But is it?

    British Rail was then the leech on the Exchequer, wasting millions on empty trains and strangled by the unions. Remember that man who I think was called Greene who was always having to "consult his executive"

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  • But is it?

    British Rail was then the leech on the Exchequer, wasting millions on empty trains and strangled by the unions. Remember that man who I think was called Greene who was always having to "consult his executive"

    The unions were given too much power as a result of socialist doctrine, means of production and all that cobblers. The unions are as much to blame for this as anyone, same as the miners...


    ...however, torching the kingdom because the peasants were revolting was hardly the way to deal with the issue. It was, once again ideology that killed the railways in the Beeching era. The railways were and are an essential national service that should not be regarded as a business that has to make a profit to survive. The cuts were a massive act of shortsighted political vandalism. I know that there is a fairly low level programme of restoring some of the cut lines but this should be something that would be seen as an ideal alternative to HS2, to restore as much of the line and stations cut by Beeching as possible. Surprisingly most of it could be restored.

  • The railways were and are an essential national service that should not be regarded as a business that has to make a profit to survive. The cuts were a massive act of shortsighted political vandalism

    I think you are missing the point. In the 60s cars were king and the railways were the pits, no government would carry on pouring taxpayers hard earned cash in

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