Iran, nukes and terrorism

Quote from Darioush

im not a very religious person, most in Iran are not very religious. Maybe 5 or 7%.

Thats another misconception about Iran.

Iran was never a colony. We demand respect. To be treated with respect and as equal. We are not a colony you can push around.

We had a deal. We kept our side of the deal but got nothing in return.

We want trade, good economy, new aircrafts and visa free travel and investments.

And we have a right for nuclear power. We also want sell our oil and that provocations like with our oil tanker stops.

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Nuclear Power ?! What Cynd of ?! If it is Nuclear power like weapons ...Look around the whole EU doesn't have any more nuclear weapons... We do have only the freacking bombs told to be a Nuclear Power Plants.....Which in today's tech we can produce electricity without them... but this is another topic... PS: We also should have the right for nuclear weapons because, in this situation Only the USA, few EU countries, Russia, China, Japan, and some others have nuclear bombs. We can be easy demolished if someone desires to do so... I don't know about the DEAL... But a DEAl is when you have a contract with someone and everything promised is included in it... Otherways the UK can't really do anything on your question because of the USA's control over the things...

Quote from Nigel_Brooks

What part of my statement is wrong ? , we were asked to seize the ship and did so legally under law , if it is innocent we will release it , not attach limpet mines and blow it up , we'll leave that to your country!

I don't understand what the.... quote: we'll leave that to your country! means... As far as I know ( if my parents have not lied to me ), I am not Iranian or else.. check out my profile.

Quote from Darioush

Looks like we got our british oil tanker. The british oil tanker Stena Impero was breaking maritime laws and is now brought into iranian waters.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail…l-tanker-strait-of-Hormuz

Iran’s Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) has said that it has captured a British oil tanker for breaching international maritime law while crossing the Strait of Hormuz.

The IRGC’s Public Relations Department said in a statement on Friday that the vessel named “Stena Impero” had been confiscated “at the request of Hormozgan Ports and Maritime Organization when passing through the Strait of Hormuz, for failing to respect international maritime rules.”

The oil tanker was transferred to the coast to undergo the required legal proceedings, the statement added.

IRNA says there is a crew of 23 on the british ship.

I think now Iran and the UK can hold equal talks and im sure our nations can reach an agreement.

Once our ship is free, i´m sure the british ship will also be released.

Oh news say we also have catched a 2nd british oiltanker caleld MESDAR

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Oil tankers are with PRIVATE OWNERSHIP.. So not the UK have violited the law but the company that owns this oil tanker.... And your ship is also not a government property but to a company as well..... What we are talking about... Money VS Money against law.........not country VS country..

Quote from Nigel_Brooks

Oh dear, let's see do we have rough sleepers , yes , most are drug or alcohol dependents if not both , just like most civilised countries , as for poor , nobody needs to be poor in the UK , I'll leave it there, as for the Queen and her family , I do not care less about them but at least she doesn't issue execution orders like your illustrious leaders do .

If there was a civilized country, there won't be something like this... I mean.. Please, homeless, homeless with drugs and many kinds of things are wrong, but because we are ok we never pay attention to them. I don't think that such a thing as the civilized country exists... Or if this is equivalent to a bad, materialized, selfish, eyes closed nation, then yes every country is civilized... I should complete this and say that the ''civilized'' world is the new world order... Or for me is worlds disorder, soul-destroying and human destroying future thing...

Press TV says the british tanker stays in iranian custody and all 23 crew is not allowed to leave the ship.

The ship broke several rules. It did shut down its transponder while crossing through iranian waters. It rammed a finishing vessel and did not stop. The fishing vessel then informed our coast guard.

Im sure they find a solution to solve this.

Right now UK holds one of our tankers near Gibraltar. It does hold it illegally in an act of piracy.

Now we are even. And i think a solution will be found. We get our ship back. UK will get their ship back.

Quote from Nigel_Brooks

What complete and utter bollocks , every bloody word !

Why you say so? What exactly is wrong about it?

Fact is, that the british ship is in iranian hands now, with its crew. Fact is, Iran will release it, when our ship is released.

Its also a fact, that Trump doesnt help the UK. The USA told answered UK, they advice you, your ships should avoid the area. There you have it now, Iran kicked out the UK of persian gulf waters.

Iran wants to be taken serious. That your country treats us as equal. Deals with us as it does with France, Germany or Russia.

We want that you change your behavior towards us and treat us with respect.

Your crew will be treated good. This can be solved in a peaceful way. So far nobody got hurt. Im sure our countries can solve this and have better relations in the future.

But one thing...its interesting your european friends have forsaken you. Germany, France, Spain, Italy and so on...stay silent.

Because US sanctions, we depend on the EU alot. The EU could really hurt us. But chose to do nothing. I think thats the more important thing seen here.

Quote from Fidget

Trump was against the Iran 'deal' even before he considered becoming President. He promised to get a more balanced deal, and has tried to keep his promises. Iran hasn't kept it's side of the bargain, so they literally invited Trumps intervention.

Tell m please, where have we not kept our side of the bargain?

The UN says Iran followed evry single step of the contract. You now make stuff up to fullfill your worldview?

Trump wint get a new deal. we dont negotiate with USA any longer. They are not trustworthy.

give our ship back and you get yours.

Quite easy to understand.

Quote from casablanca

I too read somewhere that the Iranians has complied with the agreement not to develop nuclear fission for military purposes and that a suspected small blip was brought to the Iranian's attention and corrected accordingly.

The more I read about the reason for the broken deal between America and Iran, the more reason I have to conclude that it was America who acted in bad faith, partly under Obama's presidency but brought to a head under Trump's. The American side of the deal had always placed Iran on a tight leash, where the removal or easing of sanctions could always be re-invoked at the drop of a hat. What sticks in my craw - and probably Iran's - is that throughout the deal there were "invisible" sanctions emanating from America, mostly to do with scare tactics such as discouraging companies to commit to trade agreements with Iran lest these fall apart if sanctions had to be resumed because of Iran's reputation for unpredictable or untrustworthy behaviour. During this period, with America playing its customary role as self-appointed world policeman, Iran complied with the nuclear deal, give or take a small blip described at the beginning of this posted comment, which could not in itself be reasonably interpreted as a breach of agreement.

So I would contend that Trump reneged on the deal, even though it was America who had been acting in bad faith (as described above). So there was no longer any reason for Iran to restrict its nuclear developments to peacetime domestic purposes (at least not in Iran's mind). Naturally America retaliated by re-invoking sanctions against Iran, which have become economically crippling. I can understand, even sympathise with Iran deciding they may as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb.

In spite of all the above I still view Iran as a rogue state, in which its commitment to The Islam Awakening makes them a forsworn ideological enemy of the West. The more Darioush seeks to insert his ten-cents worth into Iranian matters, without ever properly engaging in debate, the creepier he becomes and the more I start wondering if he is a troll or shill working for Iran.

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For you obviously debate means 100% agreement with your side. Thats a typical idea from westerners. I can give you my debate.

I dont want my country negotiate with USA ever again. USA is an enemy in an absolute way. They broke the deal and are untrustworthy. They are also a sinking power and can be ignored.

The west doesnt dare war with us, so its best, that we get trade with europe running. Since europe is kinda coward, we need pressure to get europe to that point. Beside that we need russia and china on our side.

I want respect. That we get treated with respect. Good example is UK, which treats us not with respect.

What did UK think when they hijacked our tanker? No moatter if i support my government or not, i will always want my country to defend our interest. There was gigantic pressure from the people of Iran, that UK gets punished for its behavior. Now that a uk tanker has been taken by us, we are equal.

We dont want, that we get treated in a bad way.

Quote from Fidget

There is NO evidence that the UK ship rammed an Iranian fishing vessel. The UK and the EU were very lapse in not providing protection for ships in International waters. Then again, it isn't a British ship, it just carries the UK flag. Keep it and we'll keep yours.

Its a fact that this ship did drive on the wrong side of the strait.

It is a british ship. It carries the british flag. According international law, you are rsponsible to protect all ships sailing under your flag.

You had the chance to get yours back. Iran had long talks with british officials. When you announced our ship will be held for anotehr 30 days, it was time to act.

Quote from Fidget

You are defending your country, we are defending ours. Why do you come on here? We have zero influence with our government. Your government is doing plenty to inflate tensions so why not try to influence them instead of wasting your time here?

I love to travel. I visit Europe for my competitions and also was already in Chile, Peru and also India and Sri Lanka ad even the UK. I was in a city called Southampton. I like hear other opinion but also show how i think.

You say why i´m here? When all this started i wanted show how i think about it.

I think exchange is important dont you think? You hear my opinion, i hear yours. If you are only stuck with yourself. you end like North Korea.

When UK took our ship, it felt sooo bad. It feels like a kick in the belly. Of course people are not happy then and demand an answer.

The thing we want most is respect. We want treated like equals. And be treated with respect.

What i want? I think best is UK and Iran negotiate. Our foreign minster said, the Uk should stop to act like a vasall of USA.

Let our ship go and we let yours go.

Evrything can be negotiated.

Help us to sell our oil. Like evryone we need income. Why you think we sell oil to Syria?

Look...we have all stuff. IPhone, Samsung, Nike Shoes, Mercedes cars and so on but evrything has to be smuggeled through Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey and so on. That makes the price high. This must end. And it would be better for us.