Will Trump encourage the revival of Iran?

  • Iran nuclear deal: Enriched uranium limit breached, IAEA confirms

    Iran has breached the limit on its stockpile of enriched uranium set under a 2015 nuclear deal with world powers, the global watchdog has confirmed.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency said its inspectors had verified the 300kg (660lb) cap had been exceeded.

    Iran stepped up production of enriched uranium, which is used to make reactor fuel and potentially nuclear weapons, in response to reinstated US sanctions.

    Things are certainly cranking up and this comes as the Americans deployed some of their top stealth jets to the region last week.

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  • Why is UK so weak and always follows USA?

    I´m iranian and i dont understand how a country can be so weak like UK? Stealing our oil tanker because USA tells them so.


    How much does UK want to provocate our country?

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  • Was Iran violating sanctions? The answer to that may help us form an opinion.

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  • I think this is the biggest story the world is facing LW and perhaps the Hong Kong thing too, if the Chinese send in the troops.


    I still don't agree with Trump on how he's gone about things. Iran's nuclear weapons program was being contained, but the flip side was and the reasoning for Trump's intervention, is the widespread chaos and death that the regime was causing across the region.


    The Americans are slowly but surely moving their forces into the region and unlike Saddam Hussein, the Iranians won't just wait to be attacked, they'll strike first, in fact they already have if you take the tanker attacks into account.

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  • Do you think recent events will lead to war, LW?


    I think we're almost at that point...:(

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  • If the Iranians board a UK tanker, as they have threatened, it can't end well for them.

    History is much like an Endless Waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.

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  • We're not under sanctions, so they have no legitimate reason to do so. More like one of our tankers will "accidentally" blow up in the Persian gulf.


    Problem is, they're rapidly being backed into a corner, so it will either be fight or flight from them and I reckon they'll choose fight.

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  • Problem is, they're rapidly being backed into a corner, so it will either be fight or flight from them and I reckon they'll choose fight.

    I suspect America will keep it's powder dry if all Iran engages in is threats or mischievous pinpricks.


    If Iran ups the ante, so will America - but always with a proportional response - yet so effortlessly executed that it will give Iran much pause for thought on the ease by which the US can, if necessary, turn them into dust


    As for Iran building nuclear weapons, I understand they are a long way off reaching that capability and their progress will undoubtedly be monitored.


    I think much will depend whether Trump is re-elected. If he isn't, then Iran is going to be the scourge of the Middle East and a mounting threat to a US Democrat government who will be to Iran what Chamberlaine was to Germany, in which case Israel may well take matters into their own hands.


    If he's re-elected I think Iran will gradually & grudgingly come to a live-and-let-live understanding with America. The Iranian "towel-on-heads" * are not entirely demented and at least their stubborn or fanatical thinking is transparent, whereas the Saudis, beneath their civilised and urbane facade, are bestially and strategically evil and playing a long game of Islamic hegemony


    BTW: in my good cop/bad cop analogy, don't misunderstand. Like you I have a considerable liking and respect for John Bolton. He transcends media's simplistic labelling



    * Do I really have to phrase it this way? What would happen if the slang censored word was used? Would the Thought Police be knocking on Horizon's door.

  • I don't disagree with you about the Saudis, but I don't really view the Iranian regime as being any better.


    Problem here is Israel. Trump has the massive Jewish lobby behind him and the Israelis love him and they hate Iran, which is not too surprising since Iran has been indirectly attacking the country since its creation. I don't think Israel would do anything without America's say so, but if Iran and Israel came into direct conflict with each other, this would almost certainly pull in American and probably us too.


    I'm not sure American commanders will be restrained as you make out. They have standing orders that if they come under attacks, they have total discretion on how to respond, it only takes one little incident involving a Iranian patrol boat and America shop, for things to explode in the region.

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  • I'm not sure American commanders will be restrained as you make out. They have standing orders that if they come under attacks, they have total discretion on how to respond

    Iran will end up in low earth orbit. But maybe as a demonstration it will rein in the other Muslim extremists?

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  • It might do Heero, but most of them are funded by the Arab nations and as long as we need oil from them, this problem will remain.

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  • 1 I don't disagree with you about the Saudis, but I don't really view the Iranian regime as being any better.


    2 Problem here is Israel. Trump has the massive Jewish lobby behind him and the Israelis love him and they hate Iran, which is not too surprising since Iran has been indirectly attacking the country since its creation. I don't think Israel would do anything without America's say so, but if Iran and Israel came into direct conflict with each other, this would almost certainly pull in American and probably us too.


    3 I'm not sure American commanders will be restrained as you make out. They have standing orders that if they come under attacks, they have total discretion on how to respond, it only takes one little incident involving a Iranian patrol boat and America shop, for things to explode in the region.

    1 You're probably right about both Saudi and Iran being as mad & bad as one another. I'm probably over-influenced by Iran's Persian legacy. But I still contend that at least with Iran what you see, ghastly though it may be, is what you get, while with Saudi it's all smiles and charm and flowing robes in the reception drawing room, while in the basement they're dismembering anyone they have taken a dislike to and will stick the bits in the incinerator.


    2 Bear in mind that what I'm talking about here is if the Democrats win the next US election and take an appeasing position towards Iran's sabre rattling and potshots at this n' that - and if Iran has come close enough to a weapons grade nuclear build-up, then Israel might feel justified and compelled to "take the initiative".


    3 I presume Heero's "low earth orbit" means reduced to dust. He and you could well be right. Depends how you define restraint. I'd like to believe when two countries are teetering on but not yet declaring war, that American commanders have been taught the importance of proportionality when demonstrating the strength of their defence response and the shape of things to come if Iran don't learn to behave themselves. To Trump's credit, he has made it clear that his door is open to Iran. This is the very opposite of Bush invading Iraq just to finish off his dad's work. .


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  • 1 You're probably right about both Saudi and Iran being as mad & bad as one another. I'm probably over-influenced by Iran's Persian legacy. But I still contend that at least with Iran what you see, ghastly though it may be, is what you get, while with Saudi it's all smiles and charm and flowing robes in the reception drawing room, while in the basement they're dismembering anyone they have taken a dislike to and will stick the bits in the incinerator.

    True, but Iran still employs similar cloak and dagger methods as the Arabs.


    They're proxies attack Israel on a almost daily basis, they are causing untold death and destruction in Syria and Yemen, not to mentioned their weapons and special forces were behind more British deaths in the Iraq war than anything else.

    3 I presume Heero's "low earth orbit" means reduced to dust. He and you could well be right. Depends how you define restraint. I'd like to believe when two countries are teetering on but not yet declaring war, that American commanders have been taught the importance of proportionality when demonstrating the strength of their defence response and the shape of things to come if Iran don't learn to behave themselves. To Trump's credit, he has made it clear that his door is open to Iran. This is the very opposite of Bush invading Iraq just to finish off his dad's work. .

    Agree, but the American commanders are told if someone shoots at them, they can shoot back with everything they've got. Trump would need to be very careful if were to countermand such policies in the aftermath of a Iranian attack on a American ship.


    What I don't agree with in the event of any conflict between Iran and America, is the Americans would act proportionally. If the Americans get attacked, that's the end of the Iranian regime and Trump would lose all home grown support if he chose a different course of action in such an event.

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  • UK was following EU law , not US ,try harder Mr Troll.

    Im not a troll. Im iranian and in Iran, UK are called pirates.


    Is Iran member of EU? Is Syria member of EU?


    No.


    EU sanctions work not on non EU members. Why dont you stop the russian frighters going Syria? Too scared?


    The way our country is treated reaches levels that are too much to accept. Why dont you try to treat us like human beings?


    UK was following EU law , not US ,try harder Mr Troll.

  • Iran has sanctions, and Iran was trying to bypass them. If they have a valid reason for doing what they did, then I am sure it will be taken into consideration.

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  • Oh dear,

    1.Russian fighters do not leave from the UK .

    2. your ship was in EU nation waters when seized.

    3. As for the way your country behaves , it sponsors terrorists , treats women like second class citizens , hates Jews and Gays ,flouts international law at a whim , so behave like human beings!

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  • Oh dear,

    1.Russian fighters do not leave from the UK .

    2. your ship was in EU nation waters when seized.

    3. As for the way your country behaves , it sponsors terrorists , treats women like second class citizens , hates Jews and Gays ,flouts international law at a whim , so behave like human beings!


    Our ship was in international waters and we can sell oil to anyone we want.


    Russian tankers pass through that waters infront spain as well. You dont stop russian ships. Because you are too scared. Russia poisons people in your own country and you do nothing. Maybe thats Irans mistake, we act too nice? Obviously you dont do that to countries that act not as friendly as we do.


    And we sponsor terrorists? UK and USA sponsor al Nusra amd muslim brotherhood. You sponsor basicly evry sunni islamist terror group and then say we sponsor terrorism? Do you blame Saudi Arabia as well or just us?


    We treat women like 2nd class? With all due respect, but in Iran we dont run girl trade like you do, for example in those massive rape gangs you have.


    We hate jews? Iran houses the 2nd largest jewish population in the middle east. We have synagoges and even in parliament are seats for the iranian jews. Israel is not identical with Jews.


    Now i tell you something.


    We are over 70 million people. Iranians are top educated. Women here have more rights than in evry other middle east country. We are an advanced nation with high education.


    What you do to us, hurts us. Evrything gets more and more expensive. Old and ill people cant get medication. We need new aircrafts. Our fleet is too old. We ordered new Airbus and got almost none new machines.


    Now you steal our oil. We know exactly what you will do. Steal it and sell it.


    You know what is bad? Our reformers said we can trust the west. We had a deal...our hardliners that we can not trust the west. And now we see our hardliners were right.


    I hope your ships dont sail in the persian gulf now. They have to cross iranian waters to do so.


    If UK does not set our ship free, we will confiscate a british ship as well.

  • The rape gangs you talk of are Muslims , we do not run prostitution legally in the UK.There is no mention of gays and your treatment of them in your reply but that is not a surprise.

    why are you obsessed with Russia ?, their ships are behaving lawfully , if your one is it will be released .

    The reason your country gets treated as it does is because of the behaviour of your government and we do blame Saudi Arabia .

  • Iran does not permit access to sites using https, (or VPN) which this does, I therefore state that you are a state sponsored troll and I claim my £5.

    History is much like an Endless Waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.

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  • Iran does not permit access to sites using https, (or VPN) which this does, I therefore state that you are a state sponsored troll and I claim my £5.


    Ah maybe you should visit Iran to know evryone has VPN. How you think we all have facebook or instagram?


    You know what else Iran does not permit? Alcohol, and yet its eerved at evry house party.


    What you say is exactly the problem. You dont know Iran.


    Where dobyou think i have nike shoes from? Where you think i got my iphone from?


    You get apps here that allow to go around evry blockade.

  • The rape gangs you talk of are Muslims , we do not run prostitution legally in the UK.There is no mention of gays and your treatment of them in your reply but that is not a surprise.

    why are you obsessed with Russia ?, their ships are behaving lawfully , if your one is it will be released .

    The reason your country gets treated as it does is because of the behaviour of your government and we do blame Saudi Arabia .


    What did my government wrong? We did stick to the deal we had. It was broken by USA.

  • Yes it seems your country did basically stick to the deal , however saint Obama's deal was terrible for the rest of the world and President Trump cancelled it .


    Same would happen with another deal.


    Deals with the west mean nothing. They are not worth the paper written on it.


    I think we should ignore the west, move forward, concentrate on the new powers China and Russia and ignore dieing Europe.


    What we learned is, that contracts with USA are worthless.


    And that Europe is weak.


    We either discuss on eye sight or not at all. Thats what Iran does now.


    We had a deal. The west broke that deal. Russia already said, that now Iran is free to do as we want. Since we are not bound to any deals any longer, we now start to enrich uranium to much higher concentration.


    As for the tanker, i find it sad, that a once great nation like the UK has fallen so deep to become US poodle. Even more unfortunate that Iran has to lock the UK out of the persian gulf.


    Iran never attacks first, but we usually mirror what is done to us.


    If the UK does not want that we sell oil to Syria, the UK is free to buy the oil from us. I dont think it matters for us who buys it. But we need someone to buy it.

  • UK was following EU law , not US ,try harder Mr Troll.

    You are wrong.. Look at the history. EU was created after the falling of Hitler and the occupation of Germany from the USA force.. SO what do you think was their next move ?! What is UN ?! You really don't think celar. Do you think that Germany likes that there are too many escapers in their own country and many many other not right thinks. Was it not weird when Angela The Cancler of Germany take decisions that ware connected with the war created from the USA in reality in Iran and Iraqw etc ?!


    I think that the EU was a USA s touch and reserve in case they need the EU under their feet... Look out the countries in the EU most of them ware forced to retrieve their weapons. Money making machine and in case of trouble, they will use us. What is happening now in the UK is that mainly the USA does not want their blood relations ( if you don't remember who created the USA mainly people from English countries ), so the USA doesn't want you to be involved in what is coming next... The EU will fall it was told long before it was created, wars, etc are happening as also that was told long before it happens. Dear Iranian you are also not aware of your own truth. Most of your people are told and learned that radical Islam is the truth.. But making someone to believe in your own believes with force .... is making tall the things senseless.... Why ?! Not because of your god, but the methods of implementing your faith.. You may be are normal Islam I have no clue, but most of your people on those lands are not in my opinion.... And this is killing the freedom of mind in humanity, not that we are free of choice but at least we can believe in what we see.. I speak for soulful believes etc. Most religions are used to control people, but yet there is still truth and there is still a god up there.... Anyway... I think you will all understand the truth soon, but it will be too late for our entire species... We are killing ourselves and our planet too. We already achieved soul-killing, next thins is the US and the planet.... And PS what a better way after the war to be close to Russia and learn all the intel fas ?! ;) It everything so obvious but the brainwashing is in its full power to blind us... They make us robots so we wont complain or do anything against the ''Big Bosses"

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