Poll: Who will win your vote in the 2017 General Election? Vote now!

  • So, simple question, who will you vote for in the election? 4

    1. Conservatives (2) 50%
    2. Labour (1) 25%
    3. Lib Dems (0) 0%
    4. SNP (0) 0%
    5. UKIP (0) 0%
    6. Greens (0) 0%
    7. Other party (0) 0%
    8. Will register vote, but not vote for anyone (0) 0%
    9. Will not vote (1) 25%

    The day is upon us, so time to try out the poll feature of this new software.


    You can only make one vote and you cannot change your vote.

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  • First time I've voted Tory. I don't bother with party politics or manifesto details that will be reversed or ignored and stick with the big issues a party will struggle to dodge i.e. I voted Lib Dem to get electoral reform (sort of worked but the public rejected change), UKIP to force the Tories into holding a referendum (success!) and now Tory to make sure Brexit carries through.


    To me the Labour campaign has been a joke and I think their policies, notably high taxation, will do far more damage to the economy than the worst Brexit predictions. Yet no one seems to worry about that. Strange world!

  • I think it was Morgan who made the remark, that at least there is a clear choice between the parties. Some might vote labour on old people's issues, NHS etc. Traditional Labour strong areas. And others might vote Conservative for Brexit, defence and security issues, made all the more easier that the "other side" have always supported terrorists.


    I just haven't had time to look through their manifestos, but as you point out, they get reversed/ignored etc as we saw with May's uturn on social care caps.


    You said you voted Lib Dem for electoral reform, is that proportional representation that's important to you and/or reform of the Lords, or something else?


    I have a aunt voting Labour despite being in a traditional conservative voting family, but she's doing it based on disability issues. I did point out that the person she will give her tick to has worked against this country's interests for decades supporting the IRA, Hamas, the Soviet Union, Gaddafi etc. The list goes on. But she would have none of it. She doesn't get that taxes, as you say, would need to rise to pay for Labour's shopping list of items. Although, I strongly believe that the conservatives will raise some form of tax soon if they win especially with all the pressures on the security services. It all has to be paid for somehow.

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  • I don't think Corbyn supported terrorists - he's just hopelessly naïve as socialists usually are. It's an attractive personality trait though and that's why socialists do well, as people start to forget what it is actually like with them in power.


    What puts me off all the parties is all this kind of stuff i.e. Corbyn supports terrorists or, from Labour, that you are racist to criticise Abbott. They are all thick tossers that I can no longer bear to listen to and unless there was a big tangible issue e.g. Brexit then I probably wouldn't bother voting. The other promises are worthless and I've been around long enough to know that the Tories aren't very right wing really and that Labour are no better at running public services than them. Yes they sound different this time but I don't think they really are. Tax hikes are stupid - collect the tax that is currently owed now before putting up rates that only effect the mugs who already pay it (and probably drive them out of business or overseas or at least negatively affect the number of employees they hire or business they do). So without funding you have no means to implement policy - it is all hot air and fantasy and typical naïve socialist short term thinking. God alone knows why anyone over the age of 12 gives it a moments thought.


    As for the Lib Dems, I was after a change from FPTP - admittedly the Tories made the Lib Dems water down the alternative but I'm sure most genuine reformers would have seen through that and realised it was a first step. So clearly the people want FPTP and since there was a free and fair referendum it's something I have to accept.

  • I don't think Corbyn supported terrorists - he's just hopelessly naïve as socialists usually are. It's an attractive personality trait though and that's why socialists do well, as people start to forget what it is actually like with them in power.

    Perhaps naive for some of them, I agree, but not for those at the top. They shared a platform with Adams and McGuiness, they knew they were killers and they knew it was us they were killing, yet still supported them. There is a difference between understanding and physically sharing a stage with them. The fact that Corbyn had alienated many on his own side over the years over issues such as the IRA, meant he was never popular with his own MPs when he became leader.

    God alone knows why anyone over the age of 12 gives it a moments thought.

    I guess until someone comes up with a better system, we're stuck with it.

    As for the Lib Dems, I was after a change from FPTP - admittedly the Tories made the Lib Dems water down the alternative but I'm sure most genuine reformers would have seen through that and realised it was a first step. So clearly the people want FPTP and since there was a free and fair referendum it's something I have to accept.

    Interesting. I'll create threads in the future about political reform, so perhaps we can pick this up again at some point.

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  • Well for God's sake don't tell anyone else but I'm going to almost certainly vote Labour for the first time in my life. Before you all start throwing things at me I live in a constituency where if the Tory candidate was a retarded gorilla he'd win anyway so it won't make any difference. Whoever gets into power it won't be my fault.:saint:


    The reasons being as follows. May has failed to stamp her authority during this campaign. She's had no real answers at her fingertips but has simply repeated sound bites and 'Strong and stable' government when she hasn't proved she's strong or stable enough. She hasn't raised domestic issues apart from the virtual promises of making most people worse off. I really don't think we can cope with another five years of austerity. May has made no firm commitment to reduce immigration at any time in the future, nor any intention of tightening our border security.


    I approve of renationalising the railways too. They're costing us a fortune anyway.


    I've argued for Brexit for ages but whoever gets in I think now we will stay in the EU in all but name anyway.


    I think May will win, some polls give her a 70 or 100 seat majority. And quite frankly that's the last thing I want to see because with a majority like that, the NHS isn't going to survive, welfare won't survive, pensions won't survive.


    OK. So Corbyn's going to borrow more but the Tories are doing that anyway. But he's not going to tax us more and take away our pensions and expect us all to sell our homes to pay for granddad's care. It may be a case of leaving the kids to repay the deficit but they are repaying it in way anyway with being unable to afford homes of their own and finding full time jobs in many parts of the country.


    Even if we don't turn the clock back a bit and try a bit of socialism for a while, if a lot of people vote Labour it will at least frighten the hell out of the Tories for the next five years. ;)

  • I won't be voting if none of them can be bothered to knock on my door and actually ask what I think then they can all get stuffed.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • All good reasons Morgan for voting Labour. But it is about the specific individuals too, though.


    You give your opinions about May, fair enough. It's a bit odd that she has constantly talked about "strong and stable leadership" when she has already done at least one uturn, on social care caps.


    But, and I was having this debate (almost a fight) with my aunt the other day who is going to vote for Corbyn because of his policies on the disabled and elderly and my response is, he supported the people who tried to (and for some, did) kill us, aka the IRA. And his chief lieutenants are the same.


    I don't like May, I do like some of Corbyn's policies, but there is no way in hell I could ever vote for that terrorist supporting "individual", I phrase that very politely indeed.

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  • I won't be voting if none of them can be bothered to knock on my door and actually ask what I think then they can all get stuffed.

    Same with me Ron. And lots of people are saying in comments on the online newspapers, exactly the same.


    My area did get merged with another, so I suppose in such a short time, the candidates would not have had time to knock at everyone's door. But perhaps they could've stood at the top of roads or something. I've not noticed any of them in my immediate town centre either.


    Lazy sods


    But do vote Ron, it's important. Whether you vote tory to keep Corbyn out, or you feel the reverse and vote for Corbyn because you detest May's policies. But do vote.


    We don't have a right to moan about politics, if we don't vote. People have fought wars to protect that right for us.

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  • I have already explained that my constituency is such a Tory stronghold that me voting either way won't make 1 jot of difference.


    And don't give me that guff about people fighting in wars to give me the right to vote as I have spoken to quite a few that did fight in the wars and it's just as much about having the choice to not vote as it is to vote. ;)

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • Normally, I would be out first thing and vote, but I've been on here and doing other things. Time to get off my backside and vote for our "beloved" PM May, despite the cow's policies on social care.


    (I have a lot more to say on that in the future, it's the whole reason, or a big part of the reason for setting this site up.)

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  • Fair enough Ron.

    Sorry if it seemed like I was having a go, but it annoys me that the electorate get blamed for being lazy and not bothering to vote yet when the candidates can't be bothered to do the rounds and to connect with the public is it any wonder so many feel disenchanted with politics, politicians and voting, if those wanting the votes of the voter can't be bothered why should those whose vote they want be?

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • Sorry if it seemed like I was having a go, but it annoys me that the electorate get blamed for being lazy and not bothering to vote yet when the candidates can't be bothered to do the rounds and to connect with the public is it any wonder so many feel disenchanted with politics, politicians and voting, if those wanting the votes of the voter can't be bothered why should those whose vote they want be?

    No need to apologise Ron, no point in me having a forum if I don't want opinions different to my own.


    It's just, regardless of the candidates and whether they have knocked on your door or not, some of these people will be our MPs tomorrow and even backbenchers are far more powerful than joe public. We can not subpoena people, they can. So, I was just trying to say that voting for anyone is better than no vote at all. But, as you correctly said, those who have fought wars did so to give us a choice on what we do, or not do. And long may that be the case.:)

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  • I would love to have a official 'none of the above' option so voters can show their displeasure at candidates who can't be bothered to connect with the public, no doubt the fear is that option would be the most popular and then candidates in safe seats would have to actually make an effort instead of just sitting back and relying on party faithful's to put them where they want to be.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • It was another member (can't remember which one) who said that he spoiled the voting paper for that exact effect. He argued, if I recall correctly, that he walked into the polling station and bothered to vote, but disliked all the options, so chose his own! So, could not be accused, in his view, of not voting.


    I'm not sure I really followed his reasoning, but I guess at least he walked into a polling booth and made a mark.

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  • Spoiling ballot papers is a waste of time they just get counted as being spoilt no one has the time to read or care what's wrote on them.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • There is a thread about online voting, so perhaps that may be a better option for you in the future Ron, if there are more options on there??


    I won't be voting if none of them can be bothered to knock on my door and actually ask what I think then they can all get stuffed.

    Just to come back to this again, do you think that the politicians think everyone is on facebook and twitter now, so don't need to bother with door knocking?


    I should be on twitter and the others promoting this forum, but I'm too busy and besides and as we discussed before, they're not my favourite online discussion tools.

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  • Politics is a farce. Voting is like having to stick your finger in a sewer every couple of years. You just have to do it to keep the juggernaut going, but some day, people might start to think about an alternative, a workable, flexible alternative, to politics and parties.

  • It's like lining piles of shit up against a wall and deciding which is the best one to step in.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • :D:D


    If you keep posting good posts like that here Ron, I might have to get those "response" features that you hate on DS. A like button is simply not good enough. But that's given me a idea...


    I could search out for a "shit hits the fan smilie," or something similar.


    I do like good ideas:thumbup:

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  • Right, just actually voted now.


    Considering I'm in suburbia and its the middle of the day, it was busy. Like the same kind of busy on the referendum vote day... Could be interesting if this is replicated throughout the country.


    I think overall, everyone has been disinterested in the campaign, but, going by activity at my local polling station, everyone is interested in voting. It was busy. Perhaps May may get her overall majority after all, or perhaps everyone is so disenchanted with tory attacks on things such as social care, they do go for Comrade Corbyn.


    I thought I knew what the result of this election would be, but I'm not so sure now. I did just ask a person down my road who they voted for, knowing they are Labour voters and he replied "not Corbyn", he didn't elaborate further and I didn't ask.


    So, who's going to stay up tonight and watch the results? Fancy chatting about it here? Why sleep, where you can talk here about who's won a seat in the Outer Hebrides? Much more fun...!8o

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  • The papers, Heero, are showing their tribal colours as usual. Mail, Sun and Mirror being worst the offenders. At least the broadsheets, (the proper newspapers for the less common folk ;):P) are tribal but do it in a more subtle way.

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  • I won't be staying up for result I never have done and I never intend to start, sleep is way more important to me.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • The papers, Heero, are showing their tribal colours as usual. Mail, Sun and Mirror being worst the offenders. At least the broadsheets, (the proper newspapers for the less common folk ;):P) are tribal but do it in a more subtle way.

    Naturally but the piece I linked to has historical precident from the seventies and in today's Venezuela and many other states that went down the Socialist spend, spend , tax, tax route to ruin.

    History is much like an Endless Waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.

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  • Naturally but the piece I linked to has historical precident from the seventies and in today's Venezuela and many other states that went down the Socialist spend, spend , tax, tax route to ruin.

    Sorry, haven't read the article. Will look later, just in the middle of stuff and I'll comment then.

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