Brits bottle it over Brexit

  • This election was always about Brexit. May even said so up front, an honest politician for a change! Unfortunately it looks like the recently restored British backbone has dissolved again. Sad though probably inevitable.

  • This election was always about Brexit. May even said so up front, an honest politician for a change! Unfortunately it looks like the recently restored British backbone has dissolved again. Sad though probably inevitable.

    I'm going to disagree with you. I don't think Brexit was the main issue for many people. I think that one of the main reasons Brexit got so much support in certain areas was because people blamed mass immigration for the fact they couldn't find proper full time jobs or affordable homes.


    They voted Brexit because they saw that as a way of stopping mass immigration and thus helping to solve the problems.


    Once Corbyn accepted Brexit he'd covered those who voted for Brexit for reasons other than mass immigration. But he also promised no welfare cuts, more housing, better schools and to save the NHS, so people thought that even if they couldn't find a job, they would at least be supported and so voted Labour.


    That's my theory anyway.

  • It wasn't Brexit ,it was the stupidity of youth and a reality show culture combined with a arrogant and out of touch manifesto!

    I am furious this morning and May must go now , this country seems to have millions that want something for nothing , our education system is a disgrace.

  • It should have been. All the rest is the usual politician's waffle which we should be used to by now, apart from anyone under 25 I suppose. The one key tangible issue was Brexit, now we've dramatically weakened our stance and the EU will be rubbing their hands. This was surely the obvious outcome?? Especially as May said as much when she called the election...

  • It was daft to make the election about brexit since the brexit referendum had solved that issue, lets not forget the other big things for a lot of people is the NHS and social care, that was the issues that should have been focused on if anything.


    Fact is May and the Tories thought they would get a bigger majority and they were wrong in reality, it was an ego massaging exercise and it failed miserably.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • It wasn't Brexit ,it was the stupidity of youth and a reality show culture combined with a arrogant and out of touch manifesto!

    I am furious this morning and May must go now , this country seems to have millions that want something for nothing , our education system is a disgrace.

    When Corbyn was "hanging out with the kids" it was similar thing in America with Bernie Sanders, Clinton's main rival for the Democratic candidate for president. Sanders energised the yoof vote and it almost worked for him.


    The young have no experience. If you tell them you can heal the world, wave a magic world, it sounds really attractive. Most young don't have to pay bills, so don't understand that government does not have money, it's ours they spend.


    I agree May must go, looks like she is going to try and hold on though. And the reality show continues.

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  • ... that's one way to neutralise the problem! :D:evil:


    This is why Sturgeon and the SNP lowered the voting age in Scotland for the referendum in 2015, as they knew they could get the youth vote on their side.


    The other big story, beyond May and the Scots, is the youth vote. Something rather relevant to me as owner of this forum, who has switched the software which is stuffed full with social networking features. :)


    All the the "experts", all politicians up until now, thought the youth vote was irrelevant. They're lazy, stay in bed and won't vote, disinterested in politics etc. That's what everyone thought about the youth. This election has proved otherwise and its a game changer.


    The youth vote is huge and still largely untapped. There is no doubt that future elections will be fought using Twitter, Facebook etc. I might hate it, but that's the future whether I like it or not.


    Adapt or die.;)

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  • It's the reasons why they vote that make the youth a peril. As has been said, they are inexperienced and filled with idealistic fervour. Bad combination and often the reason why ships that sail out into choppy waters with high aims get wrecked on the rocks of reality before long. It's important for any culture not to allow the inexperienced to be so dismissive of their elders. This has never been the human way and as America has created the eternal teenager, aged between fourteen and a hundred and fourteen, things have become unpredictable.


    If no one wants to grow up anymore and is always on holiday and just wants to buy the world a coke, then the future will be a set of nasty rocks sticking up out of the sea of tranquility that is believed to be the reward for loving everything with a pulse.

  • It's the reasons why they vote that make the youth a peril. As has been said, they are inexperienced and filled with idealistic fervour. Bad combination and often the reason why ships that sail out into choppy waters with high aims get wrecked on the rocks of reality before long. It's important for any culture not to allow the inexperienced to be so dismissive of their elders. This has never been the human way and as America has created the eternal teenager, aged between fourteen and a hundred and fourteen, things have become unpredictable.


    If no one wants to grow up anymore and is always on holiday and just wants to buy the world a coke, then the future will be a set of nasty rocks sticking up out of the sea of tranquility that is believed to be the reward for loving everything with a pulse.

    Tories had no counter to a man who could literally offer the naive the world knowing he would not have to carry the promises out.

  • May has just announced that it's on with the show. She seems quite feisty. Depends now on whether anyone feels like stabbing her in the back. Personally, I hope not at this stage as that might be really unwise, considering.

  • It should have been. All the rest is the usual politician's waffle which we should be used to by now, apart from anyone under 25 I suppose. The one key tangible issue was Brexit, now we've dramatically weakened our stance and the EU will be rubbing their hands. This was surely the obvious outcome?? Especially as May said as much when she called the election...


    I agree with that. They'll have us at a disadvantage and if May can't regain ground they'll make things more and more awkward to destabilise her in the hope of exploiting weaknesses. She promised 'strong and stable.' She is going to have to prove she is now.

  • May has just announced that it's on with the show. She seems quite feisty. Depends now on whether anyone feels like stabbing her in the back. Personally, I hope not at this stage as that might be really unwise, considering.

    It's the Conservative Party, LW. The political equivalent of Jack the Ripper. Back stabbing is what they do.

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  • I know. :( They were after doing that to her beforehand and that's why she called the election but the electorate have stabbed her in the back as well. It's a lovely world, which is why I hate politics.

  • Once Corbyn accepted Brexit

    DId he?


    I think Labour made clear that they were shifting their attention, a bit like that Miller woman, to the end result which they hoped to block, delay, do as much damage as possible with to stop Brexit. rather than accept any deal with the EU over Brexit.

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  • This election was always about Brexit.

    It appeared to be about several things, depending on where in the country you were.


    The North East was still fertile Brexit territory still, so it seemed clear that people, like the referendum, put aside their normal voting patterns and voted for whom they thought would be best for Brexit.


    Scotland was a whole different kettle of fish. It was blatantly about Scottish independence and whether Scots were going to give Sturgeon another crack at having another indyref. Scots chose the union and to give the arrogant Sturgeon a pegging down a bit. I don't think Brexit really featured up there.


    Some areas, especially most of what is now the former capital of the UK called London (now inhabited by everyone from around the world, but British people) they were attracted to Corbyn and scared of any potential clampdown on immigration that May may bring in. The yoof voted featured heavily to in London. Lots of young votes and graduates who were taken in by Corbyn and his "love the world" approach.


    For most of the Conservative heartlands, although not all as Labour made some dents, , we in Middle England voted along clear Brexit lines and against the hard left that Corbyn and chums represent. Although whether that would carry over into a vote for Boris as PM is another matter entirely. Clearly, we're not happy bunnies today.


    And that's just a few regions, so I think all in all, it was quite a mixed bag and not all about Brexit.

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  • I've also seen it stated that the under 30's have never experienced what it is to have a socialist government like the '70's and unfortunately our education system does precious little to enlighten them.


    The young are fed the stories especially on social media that there's pots of money just desperately waiting to be spent and only the cruel baby eating Tories are keeping it for their rich friends. It's sad nonsense but as the young have never had to balance their own domestic budgets they have no conception that the national budget is very similar: You can only spend what you earn (in taxes), anything else is on tick and will have to be paid back eventually.

    History is much like an Endless Waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.

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  • I've also seen it stated that the under 30's have never experienced what it is to have a socialist government like the '70's and unfortunately our education system does precious little to enlighten them.

    Without giving my exact age away...;) I was aware of problems, but I was at the age where other things were of a far greater interest to me.

    The young are fed the stories especially on social media that there's pots of money just desperately waiting to be spent and only the cruel baby eating Tories are keeping it for their rich friends. It's sad nonsense but as the young have never had to balance their own domestic budgets they have no conception that the national budget is very similar: You can only spend what you earn (in taxes), anything else is on tick and will have to be paid back eventually.

    But the yoof believe it.


    Corbyn energised the young and Twitter and Facebook are now going to be primary tools for politicians to get the young to vote. If more of them do, then it will be a game changer in politics, although I'd argue ,not in a good way.


    I'm almost warming to LW's idea of raising the voting age!

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  • Actually I'd be in favour of a voting exam to prove you know what you're voting for and having some elementary knowledge of how the economy works before you're allowed near a ballot paper.

    History is much like an Endless Waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.

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  • I wonder if they teach this stuff in schools now, ie about voting, the constitutions, what politicians do etc. It's a big thing in American schools, but I've not idea about ours.


    If they're educated about it when they're young enough, although they would not have the experience, they would at least have the elementary knowledge, as you put it, of how things work if there were basic lessons on this stuff.


    Come to think of it, you've given me ideas for here...:thumbup:

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  • This election was always about Brexit. May even said so up front, an honest politician for a change! Unfortunately it looks like the recently restored British backbone has dissolved again. Sad though probably inevitable.

    What the hell has backbone got to do with it???

  • I think being strong enough to have an opinion contrary to the establishment today requires backbone, especially in countries where your every thought is the supreme business of those who want your undying devotion to their ideologies - or else.

  • It doesn't however require 'backbone' to vote in a referendum......and each of the Main Parties has agreed to 'honour' that result...........the squabbles now are about the sort of Brexit that is agreed......and unless May makes it abundantly clear that the UK is prepared to walk away rather than accept a 'poor' deal, then clearly the EU will endeavour to ensure that the UK is worse off, ( tariff wise), when out of the EU...

    However - that is a double edged sword.....particularly so as the EU clearly have the greater balance of trade........which some people appear to forget, or ignore.


    All this talk about the UK must stay in the Single Market etc. doesn't help at all......

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