Brexit negotiations to start 19th June

  • Brexit secretary David Davis has said that he will meet his EU counterpart to begin negotiations over the UK's exit from the EU on Monday the 19th June.


    It was going to be interesting before the election, but now the unexpected election result has added a whole new dimension.


    They should sell tickets to it!

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  • About bloody time, May should've got on with this rather than call a unnecessary election enough time has already been wasted.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • May seems to have the Midas touch in reverse. Since she's been in number 10 there have been 2 terrorist attacks and now this fire to deal with plus of course the fateful election result. But as you say, she should have got on with the job of Brexit first.

  • Indeed - and yet again, she hasn't helped herself at all - whereas May visited the scene and spoke to the brave services people who helped save lives, which was certainly commendable.....but she lost a lot of goodwill when being outshone by Corbyn , (yet again), when he was portrayed attempting to comfort some of the victims...... no wonder she visited the hospital later......perhaps she needs to recruit Corbyn's advisers!!

  • She certainly needs a different spin doctor. So far her PR has been disasterous and as for the manifesto whoever wrote that should be taken out the back and shot.


    I voted to LEAVE the EU not for some EU lite arrangement. Anything less than a complete divorce is IMHO a failure.

    History is much like an Endless Waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.

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  • I am as a fervent leaver very interested in these talks , the outcome could kill off the Tories if they screw them up in leavers minds!

    I don't mind if the Conservatives fail because the other side won't budge in negotiations, but I will mind if we back down and give in to all EU demands and water our Brexit down.

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  • Indeed - and yet again, she hasn't helped herself at all - whereas May visited the scene and spoke to the brave services people who helped save lives, which was certainly commendable.....but she lost a lot of goodwill when being outshone by Corbyn , (yet again), when he was portrayed attempting to comfort some of the victims...... no wonder she visited the hospital later......perhaps she needs to recruit Corbyn's advisers!!

    She's not a leader, or at least not one who leads from the front. Oddly, never was Corbyn, but since the election result, his confidence has grown and he's coming across much better on tv than May.

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  • About bloody time, May should've got on with this rather than call a unnecessary election enough time has already been wasted.

    May seems to have the Midas touch in reverse. Since she's been in number 10 there have been 2 terrorist attacks and now this fire to deal with plus of course the fateful election result. But as you say, she should have got on with the job of Brexit first.

    I thought it was right that May called the election. No one voted for her as PM, so she needed that OK from the electorate and she needed the majority when she met her EU counterparts.


    Thank goodness it all turned out well...X(:(

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  • She's not a leader, or at least not one who leads from the front. Oddly, never was Corbyn, but since the election result, his confidence has grown and he's coming across much better on tv than May.

    Corbyn is showing his true colours now, though. After he used the fire in the tower block to try and shift May, I junked him as a decent human. After the recent anti-Islam backlash attack Corbyn will possibly go into overdrive and deplete what little integrity he has left. He's a user and he seems to shine only when he smells blood created by situations that offer him opportunities.

  • I thought it was right that May called the election. No one voted for her as PM, so she needed that OK from the electorate and she needed the majority when she met her EU counterparts.


    Thank goodness it all turned out well...X(:(

    Technically no one actually votes for the PM they essentially vote for the candidate who will represent the constituency they live in, the leader of the party who gains the most constituencies/seats becomes the PM. ;)

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.


  • Brexit Secretary David Davis has said he is entering negotiations on the UK's exit from the EU in a "positive and constructive" frame of mind.


    As he began talks in Brussels, he said he was determined to build a "strong and special partnership" with the EU.

    Subjects for the negotiations include the status of expats, the UK's "divorce bill" and the Northern Ireland border.


    Brexit talks begin

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  • Round one to the EU.:thumbdown:

    The first day of negotiations has finished and the diary of events has been agreed but we have backed down already on the EU's demand that the exit is agreed before the future arrangements are sorted out, even though in the Article 50 text it clearly says the two can be discussed together.


    What the EU want is our money. So, if the exit arrangements are agreed first without out any attention to what our future relationship with the EU will be post Brexit, what incentive is there for the EU to concede further down the line on what we want if they've got our dosh.


    Not a good sign. Hope this improves soon.


    Will post various news links on the first day later.

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  • I know where you are coming from LW.....but Corbyn has really only ever had one colour .... and that is RED!!! ;0)

    Oh, yes, he's red. But one can negotiate with some reds as one can negotiate with some fascists. However, when tragedy struck, Corbyn got out his arsenal of dodgy manoeuvres and so I now class him as an opportunistic weasel.

  • Oh, yes, he's red. But one can negotiate with some reds as one can negotiate with some fascists. However, when tragedy struck, Corbyn got out his arsenal of dodgy manoeuvres and so I now class him as an opportunistic weasel.

    I'm sorry to hear you say that LW......it isn't like you to disparage animals....and weasels have to be opportunistic to survive.....

  • I did feel a twinge of regret over the weasel and A.R. Lloyd's Kine Saga is one of my favourites. But in our metaphoric jargon, he's a weasel and the sooner he goes pop the better.

  • UK Brexit Secretary David Davis and EU Chief Negotiator Michel Barnier give their thoughts after day one of talks in Brussels.


    Day 1 sum up

    I must confess, I am somewhat disappointed in DD - I had thought the he was the right man for the job, ( other than drafting in Farage for that role of course), and I would have thought that DD would have pointed out that a 'divorce' settlement is not required - because the UK and EU have never been married.......we would clearly settle any genuine debts that we owed up to the point of leaving.....but it the EU wish to cite the departure as a divorce, then we would expect our rightful share of the capital assets..........especially as we are one of the highest contributors.

  • I must confess, I am somewhat disappointed in DD - I had thought the he was the right man for the job, ( other than drafting in Farage for that role of course), and I would have thought that DD would have pointed out that a 'divorce' settlement is not required - because the UK and EU have never been married.......we would clearly settle any genuine debts that we owed up to the point of leaving.....but it the EU wish to cite the departure as a divorce, then we would expect our rightful share of the capital assets..........especially as we are one of the highest contributors.

    Yes, assets. It's gone all quiet on that, hasn't it?


    The EU just opened last month their gleaming new HQ which we helped to pay for. If the EU are to keep all of "their" assets, I am slightly puzzled, beyond pensions commitments, why we need to pay a severance payment to them.

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  • Yes, assets. It's gone all quiet on that, hasn't it?


    The EU just opened last month their gleaming new HQ which we helped to pay for. If the EU are to keep all of "their" assets, I am slightly puzzled, beyond pensions commitments, why we need to pay a severance payment to them.

    Personally Horizon, I believe that the 'pensions' issue is a red herring........after all, if you consider a Company's liability to an employee's pension pot, he is responsible for maintaining that pension allocation - until the employee moves elsewhere....the scheme should be continuing payments to the retired employees from the already paid in contributions, and whatever the level of employees pension pot is at the time of departure is frozen - but still remains as an asset to the ex-employee....in other words, the UK's pension commitment is/ will be defined at the point of leaving.....with presumably, the majority of the UK's pension liability already paid into the 'trust', or pension fund.

  • I hope Stevlin, it will be as you state, but for the last 18 months I keep hearing the words "transitional arrangement(s)."


    When we "leave" we will be in a transitional arrangement as regards to border control and many other things like pensions. I presume, although don't know, that we will have an agreement to pay a "share" of the pension commitments into the EU while we're still in this transitional arrangement. This transitional arrangement could last for several years... Would like to hear some detail from DD on this soon.


    I don't know what's happened today at the negotiations, going to check in a minute, but I can't say I was happy with yesterday's events. I don't know whether DD is the right person or not, he certainly has swaggered around up until now, but to back down to the EU on the first day on such a key issue as not discussing future arrangements until a exit agreement is made, is a huge mistake in my opinion.

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  • I hope Stevlin, it will be as you state, but for the last 18 months I keep hearing the words "transitional arrangement(s)."


    When we "leave" we will be in a transitional arrangement as regards to border control and many other things like pensions. I presume, although don't know, that we will have an agreement to pay a "share" of the pension commitments into the EU while we're still in this transitional arrangement. This transitional arrangement could last for several years... Would like to hear some detail from DD on this soon.


    I don't know what's happened today at the negotiations, going to check in a minute, but I can't say I was happy with yesterday's events. I don't know whether DD is the right person or not, he certainly has swaggered around up until now, but to back down to the EU on the first day on such a key issue as not discussing future arrangements until a exit agreement is made, is a huge mistake in my opinion.

    Well I don't pretend to be an expert on pension funds or the EU, but I would have thought that the UK's fund pension contributions are already 'paid up to date'. When you think of the UK's 'pension' fund commitment - it would be absolutely gigantic after 44 years......and in any event, many thousands of the many thousands of EU 'civil servants' are now retired, and drawing their not inconsiderable pensions.....and yes, I am greatly disappointed in DD too..... his first move should have been to reply- sod off - we don't need to agree a post Brexit deal - but if you want to try - fine - but we will provide our own agenda......after all - even a committee from our Europhilic HoL has concluded that we don't need to pay them anything to leave......

  • I guess we'll just have to see.


    After months of nothing, we should start to see details soon.

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