Conservatives agree pact with DUP to support May government

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  • The Conservatives have reached an agreement with the Democratic Unionists which will see them support Theresa May's minority government.

    The deal comes after two weeks of talks between the parties since the election resulted in a hung Parliament.


    The DUP's 10 MPs will back the Tories in key Commons votes, starting with the Queen's Speech later this week, but there will be no formal coalition.

    The talks focused on financial support for Northern Ireland and Brexit.


    The DUP has claimed the UK government has agreed to improve the treatment of military veterans in Northern Ireland as part of the agreement but played down reports that it had sought £2bn in extra funding for Northern Ireland in return for their support.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40403434


    We'll have to wait for the details but this could put the cat among the pigeons with both the Welsh and the SNP. They'll want more too.

  • I agree. But I'm more worried about the reaction of Gerry Adams to all of this.


    I am not even sure why the Conservatives went down this road. They had an actual majority of 4 seats, I think, or something like that which is tight, but doable.


    As you say, the devil is in the details, but its come just in time for the vote on the Queen's Speech.

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  • Key Points:


    DUP will vote with government on key legislation like the Queen's Speech, finance and money bills and Brexit laws.


    All other laws, will be discussed on a case by case basis.


    Triple Pensions lock and Winter Fuel Payment to remain.


    That's about it.

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  • Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick as my managing editor used to say.

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  • Well at least this stands a chance of staying together for a while as both parties have broadly similar objectives. Unlike a minority ragtag of ferrets in a bag headed by comrade Corbyn.

    History is much like an Endless Waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.

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  • I think this may all depend on Boris now. Is he going to do what Boris does best and stick the knife into May, or will he be patient and wait it out? Plus, as Hammond was going to get sacked, will he just quietly sit in the background and take orders from May, or will he plunge the knife in too?


    If Boris, Hammond et all, shut up and keep their heads down, this could be workable. The government needs it's financial legislation and Brexit laws to get through parliament and this DUP agreement guarantees that.


    May well survive, despite my earlier predictions of her demise, to fight another day.

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  • Well at least this stands a chance of staying together for a while as both parties have broadly similar objectives. Unlike a minority ragtag of ferrets in a bag headed by comrade Corbyn.

    I have a chill at the back of my next which says he will be PM within six months. I hope my chills pass.

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  • Well he is convinced he will be PM in 6 months, so let's hope he's just counting his chickens before they hatch. They're making the most of the Glastonbury crowd, but festivals don't last last forever and what you cheered at when you were high and hanging with your weed kin and American actors who are just using you to promote their latest movie, which is supposed to be about you, isn't necessarily what you might support in the cold light of sanity.

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  • But it's the young voters he's attracting and millions voted for him. There are still millions more who might.

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  • I read in the last few days an opinion piece (I'll try to find it) that you have to have a strongly socialist government every 25 years just to prove to the new generation how bad it can be as they'll never believe it when their elders tell them.:(

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  • Ah, found it, Tony Parsons


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    It is no good lecturing all the young groovers at Glastonbury about the horrors of socialism – they are going to have to learn that hard lesson for themselves. Every half a century or so we need to be reminded that socialism sucks.


    So there’s no point in the old folk droning on about the Seventies. It is no good telling youngsters about three million unemployed, endless strikes and how runaway inflation wakes you up in the middle of the night with the worry about how the hell you will pay next month’s bills.


    We need a Labour government to give the kids a practical demonstration.


    Every 50 years. =O

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  • It's all very well for Tony Parsons to day that, but if Corbyn got in now it would be catastrophic. Lets not forget his views on defence, the IRA, Hamas etc etc. And Brexit, actually that maybe the only thing he could be good at as the Hard Left have always been anti-Europe.

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  • One of the Tory 'political' problems wrt the 'young vote', is that they are also anti-Brexit......as well as apparently pro-Corbyn, and if May does goes before Brexit negotiations are concluded, and say Hammond becomes PM.....that will be the end of leaving tne EU in all but name........

  • The EU seemed to be making noises in that direction yesterday as I read something that amounted to, "Let us junk ze 'ole thing and hug." :|

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  • The big story this week though (at least it is if you believe negative spin) is that the DUP are ready to pull the plug on the deal if the £1 billion promised to NI isn't forthcoming. Is it likely that the DUP will walk away and allow Corbyn to get into Number 10? Or, will the money simply be costed into the budget and as such voted through by Tory and DUP MP's?

  • The big story this week though (at least it is if you believe negative spin) is that the DUP are ready to pull the plug on the deal if the £1 billion promised to NI isn't forthcoming. Is it likely that the DUP will walk away and allow Corbyn to get into Number 10? Or, will the money simply be costed into the budget and as such voted through by Tory and DUP MP's?

    Oh really. I haven't been up to date with the news this week as I've been gardening all week (and next).


    Problem here is, how can the government give the money to NI when there is no NI government to spend it?

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  • I personally believe that the Tories should have just said to the DUP back us or let Corbyn in. That threat would likely have been enough to convince the DUP to support the Government on the crucial Queen's Speech vote, Budget and Brexit.


    As it goes though, if the DUP walk away from the deal, then they will be in the position where no political party will ever trust them again, and if Corbyn does get into power as a result of the Government not being able to command confidence, and Labour sides with Sinn Fein, then the possible outcomes in NI are quite serious but, will be because the DUP walked away. I think the DUP need to careful what they wish for.

  • Normally I would've responded by saying that Labour would never csde with Sinn Fein, but considering Corbyn's background and chums, than that is a possibility.


    Of course it wouldn't be any political party deciding who gets to govern over us, we still get the final say in that, but obviously I can see where you're coming from.


    If May is weakened, that could open the door for Corbyn.

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