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  • Corbyn has produced this sheaf of papers which he claims shows that the Tories would do a deal with Trump over "selling" the NHS which all the pundits claim is untrue and the documents show no such thing

    Susannah Reid showed her true Labour colours this morning by trying to support the Corbyn line, and then attacking Mat Hancock over the promise to have 50,000 more nurses after five years.

    She was unable to grasp the concept of "more" instead of "new"

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  • She was unable to grasp the concept of "more" instead of "new"

    I don't think she's employed for her darting intelligence.^^


    I've left the Times link in above for those who have access.


    This was the most accurate poll in the last election and asked around 100,000 people in its survey.

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  • Good. I hope this is turned into a reality. I dont want socialism.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • Why is the gap narrowing?


    Why is Boris burbling?


    Why is Corbyn more commanding and skillful than Boris in 1-2-1 interviews?


    Why do the TV interviewers display such hostility and rudeness to Boris than anyone else?


    Why does Boris take it lying down?


    How in heaven's name does Andrew Marr get away with it? (Especially today)

  • I watched Andrew Marr today. I have never seen such an appalling interview before, even on the BBC. Boris could hardly get two words out before Marr interrupted him. The two earlier interviewees got an almost free run.


    ps. I am no fan of Boris, but Marrs treatment of him was really bad. I actually felt sorry for Boris and was very pleased with his amiable tolerance of such bad treatment. I am sure Marr was pushing Boris to lose his temper.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • He tried it with Farage but Farage spoke back in plain straight no nonsense language and he shut Marr up toot-sweet ( as Trump always does) Trump would have said - "You people with your fake news and your attitude for the fake story - now be quiet I am talking". This is why I like Trump because I watched through the Miliband - Clegg -Cameron era when not one of them answered a direct question and were allowed to get away with it. This is NOT the way to run a country. Trump won - against all the odds - against a well established politician (Clinton). and the reason is because people wanted direct speech - say it as it is. Boris Johnson should say - "Look, you asked me a question now shut up ans let me answer. I am the PM and this is what will happen under my leadership" .. thats the way to do it.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • Liddle ole Tommy Robinson stuffed Neil and Piers Morgan. I like Piers Morgan but when he challenged Tommy Robinson for using a "fake name" that was a classic hoodwinking of the stupid sheep-like viewers. So it is beyond belief that an Oxford educated former London Mayor now the PM with all his wit and bluster could not easily swat Marr like a fly. The reason he could not is because when you lie and lie you can not settle sufficient to answer directly with confidence.

    When yo have integrity and truth you dont care one bit what the questions are because you do not have to manufacture a posture built on sand.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • Marr is desperate to prove that he's as god or better than Neill

    Andrew Neil is far better than Marr. Neil is very knowledgeable and persistent, but he isn't rude and doesn't hog all the time allowed.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • Marr is an Establishment man versed in Common Purpose. He personifys the BBC bias most aware people expect. I have only ever watched him to form balance in my arguments not because I like him or want to hear him. He is the UKs CNN rep.

    I like anyone who holds people to account I dont care who gets a hard time, whether I support the person or not. Neil can probe and not let people off the hook thats how it should be. But he was definitely on a mission when he interviewee Tommy that told me even Neil will be used and will not get it right every time.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • Neil is not biased. He gives everyone a good grilling. On the other hand, Marr allows the liberal lefties to spout their propaganda without challenge, except for a token question or two. That is the reason Marr (and the BBC) will never be trusted. I often wonder when the BBC will kick out Neil for not toeing the BBC biased line. I guess Neil's popularity is the only thing keeping him there.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • Neil is not biased. He gives everyone a good grilling. On the other hand, Marr allows the liberal lefties to spout their propaganda without challenge, except for a token question or two. That is the reason Marr (and the BBC) will never be trusted. I often wonder when the BBC will kick out Neil for not toeing the BBC biased line. I guess Neil's popularity is the only thing keeping him there.

    Neil would not and did not once criticise Islamic culture/tenets in regard to females when he interviewed Tommy. He constantly bullied and harangued Tommy - as was his given remit no doubt. Nothing wrong with hard interviewing, I like it, but on this interview he was slam-dunked by an ordinary working class lad. Neil presumed a person who is not an ox-bridge privileged beneficiary is incapable of arguing against him but Tommy did. He also plied attitude in reference to TR not using his real name (Steven Yaxley Lennon) as Piers did and failed.

    Tucker Carlson - Steve Palkin and some others from abroad can scrutinise hard on interviews without the "look at me I'm hard" self indulgence of Neil. Its not about Neil it should be about imparting truth to the viewers.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • I'll withhold comment on the Neil interview of Tommy Robinson, as I haven't seen it.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • You dont have to like someone to discuss the issues. I dont like the EU or Corbyn or Extinction Rebellion. I do not do ideological mindset. The observations on a matter can be discussed.

    I dont think you get it on my point to do with Piers Morgan losing out to Tommy on the "fake name" accusation. Have a go.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • Of course: A man who puts his life on the line to make sure one of the most serious criminal incidents in the history of the UK, is forcibly pushed to the MSM headlines, may be many things but a "non-entity" is not one. You protect Andy pandy princey boy from words which may be offensive - a man who doesn't give a flying shite if you were killed on London Bridge. A parasite on society.

    Yet Tommy who forced authorities and others to admit the rape, torture, drugging, kidnapping of many thousands of young white christian girls in UK towns.... is a "non entity" ??? LOL LOL LOL nuts.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • Of course: A man who puts his life on the line to make sure one of the most serious criminal incidents in the history of the UK, is forcibly pushed to the MSM headlines, may be many things but a "non-entity" is not one. You protect Andy pandy princey boy from words which may be offensive - a man who doesn't give a flying shite if you were killed on London Bridge. A parasite on society.

    Yet Tommy who forced authorities and others to admit the rape, torture, drugging, kidnapping of many thousands of young white christian girls in UK towns.... is a "non entity" ??? LOL LOL LOL nuts.

    His predecessor, Griffin, of the BNP was reverered in just the same way as you revere Robinson/ Where is he now?

    Of course Robinson aka Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon and his EDL hate black people just like the KKK in the uSA. How anybody can admire fascists escapes me

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  • His predecessor, Griffin, of the BNP was reverered in just the same way as you revere Robinson/ Where is he now?

    Of course Robinson aka Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon and his EDL hate black people just like the KKK in the uSA. How anybody can admire fascists escapes me

    You will never, ever... NOT ever ... show me one instance where Tommy Robinson is a racist who hates black people nor anything of a fascist form of behaviour by him. You will not do it.

    I bet you dont even know how and why the EDL was formed... so thats 2 challenges for you and being a good leftie liberal you will, no doubt, prove me right.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • You will never, ever... NOT ever ... show me one instance where Tommy Robinson is a racist who hates black people nor anything of a fascist form of behaviour by him. You will not do it.

    I bet you dont even know how and why the EDL was formed... so thats 2 challenges for you and being a good leftie liberal you will, no doubt, prove me right.

    Oh dear

    Now I see why you support Brexit and Farage

    None so blind as those that cannot see

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  • I watched Andrew Marr today. I have never seen such an appalling interview before, even on the BBC. Boris could hardly get two words out before Marr interrupted him. The two earlier interviewees got an almost free run.


    ps. I am no fan of Boris, but Marrs treatment of him was really bad. I actually felt sorry for Boris and was very pleased with his amiable tolerance of such bad treatment. I am sure Marr was pushing Boris to lose his temper.

    I've not seen the interview yet, but I suspect Marr took a more aggressive approach, as in effect, he's been humiliated by Boris and seen as a light touch, due to the fact that Boris agreed to go on his show but not Andrew Neil's.


    I don't quite see the point of anyone interviewing Robinson, he's a non entity

    I agree, but if Boris fails with Brexit and other things, then someone like Robinson will appear in the future.

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  • I've not seen the interview yet, but I suspect Marr took a more aggressive approach, as in effect, he's been humiliated by Boris and seen as a light touch, due to the fact that Boris agreed to go on his show but not Andrew Neil's.


    I agree, but if Boris fails with Brexit and other things, then someone like Robinson will appear in the future.

    God forbid !!

    I don't think so actually, I think there will be a swing back to the centre to get away from these extremes

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  • No. We've not got to the extremes yet and may never if Boris gets his finger out and gets Brexit done, as he keeps saying he will.

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  • No. We've not got to the extremes yet and may never if Boris gets his finger out and gets Brexit done, as he keeps saying he will.

    You can't get any more extreme than we have now, hard right and left

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  • I dont care really. We had a referendum and the remoaners aint gonna destroy the democratic process because they are sore losers. If that means serious disruption so be it. I dont want it nor will I incite it but if they force their hand and by some perverse outcome we remain in the EU there will be serious disruptions in UK. If that is necessary then lets get on with it.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • For those that haven't done so yet, you've got a couple more weeks to vote in the poll, plus, they'll be another one along soon too. :) And don't forget, you can create polls too, just look at the bottom of the editor box (where you do the typing) for the poll option.

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  • God forbid !!

    I don't think so actually, I think there will be a swing back to the centre to get away from these extremes

    Do you know how and why the EDL was formed? I am not expecting an answer or you will give some inane pathetic answer. It is a serious question?

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • Do you know how and why the EDL was formed? I am not expecting an answer or you will give some inane pathetic answer. It is a serious question?

    It is ironic that you as an immigrant worship a toe rag who's mantra is England for the English

    Bit like a Jewish person voting for Hitler

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  • And what are these "extremes"?

    Seeking what is right and truthful is not extreme. Showing up liars is not extreme.

    It is extreme not to accept the result of a referendum especially when you voted in said referendum willing and heartily wanting to accept the result if YOUR side won.

    It is extreme to cite Tommy Robinson as a fascist, racist extreme right wing hater of blacks and then not back it up.

    It is extreme to say "it is libellous to say naughty stuff about prince Andy pandy who deserves that evidence be shown" yet say Tommy Robinson is a "fascist, hater of black people" with not a scintilla of evidence.

    It is extreme to cite TR as the aforesaid adding the "right wing fascist EDL" when you dont know why and how the EDL was formed.

    It is extreme to ply your ideological viewpoints while knowing you have no intention of backing it up and I dont mean looking for google links I mean arguing/debating YOUR own claims.

    Most of my life you were never asked for "a link" to evidence everything you say. People debated and discussed and probed and exchanged thoughts and experience.

    It is weird when you are ridiculed for speaking from your own life experience and employment, in a specific area but if you find some link from google it is accepted and ends the debate.

    Imagine years ago when your having a good old discussion in a pub or at home but when you say something such as .... "Yes, in my job as a coalminer i saw many coal seams collapse" to be told... "oh yeah, I think you best run to the library and get a book to prove coal seams collapse"!!

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • Corbyn's sheet of papers that are supposed to say that the Tories will sell the NHS to Trump seem to have been lifted from a Russian fake news site. Even the spelling mistakes are the same.^^

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