Age verification checks for porn sites from 2018. Will it work?

  • People in the UK will have to prove they are 18 before being allowed to access pornography websites from next year, the government is to announce.




    Websites will be legally required to install age verification controls by April 2018 as part of a move to make the internet safer for children.

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    Any measures to protect children from the adult material on the internet is welcome, having to provide something like credit card details should stop a lot of kids from accessing porn specific websites.


    My understanding is that most children use Facebook and Snapchat these days and porn can be accessed on these sites by kids. So if the whole point of these measures is to protect kids from porn, what about social media?


    Another aspect to this is that children use the internet to post pornographic pictures and videos of themselves. Where are the laws about this? Supposedly, this is what happens in private Facebook groups between groups of friends. Outsiders may well be blocked from accessing the kids' pictures, if the kids have made their sites private, but it doesn't stop their friends from accessing this material or encouraging more material to be "produced." Where are the controls on this?


    I think one simple solution has been overlooked is one of smart phones. All smart phones have cameras in them. Perhaps there should be a law that makes it illegal for kids to have phones with inbuilt cameras so as to prevent them producing their own "adult" material.


    Plus, what about Google and other search engines? It's easy to search for porn using search engines and I am sure most kids will be able to turn the "safe filter" off. Perhaps the laws need to be far broader in their reach to prevent kids from accessing and making pornographic material.

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  • The only sites that the government can apply any laws to are those based in the UK or countries that will co-operate mutually. ISP's cannot block access to foreign porn sites just in the same way that they cannot stop torrent sites or torrents or peer to peer traffic so it's all a lot of hot air as usual with people who have no concept of how the internet actually works.


    I dislike the big brother ban this, ban that approach, because it gives a false sense of security when none is actually provided. I believe that education is the proper way to approach the issue of net pornography and mobile sexting.

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  • Didn't even think about torrents and peer-to-peer, Heero.


    I agree about education, but that only works where there are decent parents and teachers involved.


    Wasn't all the porn specific sites meant to get their own triple x domain? That would be easy to block, whether they be foreign based or not.

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  • Didn't even think about torrents and peer-to-peer, Heero.


    I agree about education, but that only works where there are decent parents and teachers involved.


    Wasn't all the porn specific sites meant to get their own triple x domain? That would be easy to block, whether they be foreign based or not.

    But you can't force a site to have any particular domain name based on content. As you know you can buy any name that is not already registered so for example I could set up a site called http://www.fluffybunny.com* and have the most extreme porn on it if the domain and site hosts are outside the mainstream jurisdiction, there's absolutely nothing that the "Authorities" can do about it except make it difficult to get to accidentally. The simplest way being to "fix" the DNS tables so that that name is pointed to a warning message IP not the site IP.


    Having a special domain part doesn't make it "easy" to block. The example I use is The Pirate Bay. I still use this through VM even though there's a court injunction on UK ISPs to block access and I don't even need a VPN to do it. There are over 5000 proxies and the list continually changes so the ISP's are always on the back foot.


    And don't forget Bleep from the makers of Bittorrent: Encrypted peer to peer messaging service. There's no other parties involved so no footprint to chase. Nothing is stored anywhere on the net in a form the authorities can access. But kids could use this to send explicit pictures to their friends.


    *Sorry if you're the name owner. ^^

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  • I think for young people we should, ming mong.


    It used to be the case that if you wanted to view hard core porn you would have to either go into a xxx video shop which I imagine would have been impossible for a kid, especially a young one, or get a magazine from the top shelf in the newsagent. Again, depending on height and the owner's morals, not so easy.


    With a click or two of the mouse, young kids can get access to whatever they want and increasingly it is younger kids viewing this material. I think 15 year olds will explore this stuff, but 12 year olds, 11 years olds or under?? Too young and that's why I agree there should be safeguards, even as Heero said, they can be bypassed.

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  • Kids up to 12, 13 years old shouldnt be using tablets connected to the internet up in their bedrooms on their own, they should be downstairs where a parent can see what theyre looking at.

    I got hold of a jizz mag at 12, and my hair stood on-end ( among other things )

    That said ; yes there should be things in place to prevent youngsters seeing things they shouldnt, but how do you police it? Unsuitable things include games/war scenes/ rough treatment of animals etc .

    First port of call should always be the parents

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  • I agree about the parents, but unfortunately not all parents are good ones. I have some right scum ones as neighbours and they have just given their 7 year old a smart phone... Ridiculous.


    I agree about the limiting of tablets and phones to younger kids, but there was quite a row a couple of years ago at a local secondary school where I live.


    The school had confiscated all the phones from the kids. One, because they were on the phones instead of paying attention in class, but secondly, they were viewing porn on the phones too and taking and encouraging others to take porno images of each other and share them on the net.


    The parent's response to the school's diligence was to threaten the school's staff with legal action as the parents maintained that it was their right to give their kids phones and they wanted to be able to get in touch with their kids whenever they wanted. The school backed down, although they don't allow the phones to be used in class.


    The world has gone nuts.

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  • Its going to work for a lot of VPN providers if it goes through. A lot of people who would never gone beyond one of the ropey free options, will start using more robust paid for services to get a reliable access to their favourite sites.


    I doubt many will be comfortable handing over their card details, both for fear of fraud, and because it will mean their identity can't be hidden. You can see hackers having a field day attacking the sites and then publishing lists of who have been getting age verified. Its a car crash waiting to happen.

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