Should we ban nuts in public?

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  • Nuts are an on-the-go snacking staple, yet they are also potentially deadly to a small fraction of the UK population. So is it time to crack down on eating nuts in public and if so, where should we start?


    About two million people in the UK have a food allergy, with fish, shellfish and nuts among the most common types.

    Obviously the BBC are as desperate as me for decent news stories, don't worry Brexit is back on next week to "cheer" us all up!


    I am allergic to nuts, but I don't see how you could ban someone from eating nuts in public. As anyone with a food allergy knows, if its severe, you have to keep medicine on you at all times.


    That said, my brother was in Lakeside shopping centre a few weeks ago (I'm there in two days, it's hell on earth..) and he stupidly had a taster of some food and it contained nuts and he is severely allergic and did not have his meds with him. By the time he got home, he was just going blue and his breathing was terrible, but after an adrenaline shot he was okay, although it took the whole weekend for him to recover fully.


    Accidents do happen, but banning eating nuts in public is a no from me. In any case, how could it ever be enforced?

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  • Nuts are an on-the-go snacking staple, yet they are also potentially deadly to a small fraction of the UK population. So is it time to crack down on eating nuts in public and if so, where should we start?

    Actually I have noticed that in a couple of restaurants we've used lately there are new signs asking customers to inform staff if they have any food allergies. Perhaps all takeaways and restaurants should have them prominently displayed so the responsibility is placed on the seller rather than the buyer who cannot possibly know which dishes may contain nuts or whatever.

  • This is a new thing in my experience. I never saw anything like this in my life and have never known anyone with a nut allergy. But Mr Wing has an old school friend who has just died of a heart attack from an extreme allergic reaction to eating sunflower seeds.

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  • I notice that Lidl have a warning sign about their nuts that are in open self serve sacks in the store. I know it's unfortunate that a small minority have a severe nut allergy but I'm just fed up of the majority having to suffer for it. That applies to so many things these days.:(


    I have an asthmatic reaction to something in certain joss sticks but I just don't go where they might be.

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  • Actually I have noticed that in a couple of restaurants we've used lately there are new signs asking customers to inform staff if they have any food allergies. Perhaps all takeaways and restaurants should have them prominently displayed so the responsibility is placed on the seller rather than the buyer who cannot possibly know which dishes may contain nuts or whatever.

    Its a legal requirement already for food businesses to have this information available, i.e. they should have already assessed their menu and you only need to ask to view the results of that assessment. If they don't have it they are breaking the law.

  • About a month ago, my family and I went to a very nice Turkish restaurant for my birthday and knowing that I am allergic to nuts, I avoided any food with nuts in, as did my brother who has a severe allergy.


    At the end of the meal, the waiter brought some goodies which included what I thought was chocolate and Turkish delight (one of my favourites) so I immediately grabbed a piece of that and shoved it in my mouth. My brother ripped it out immediately. He'd been to this same restaurant before, had the same sweets and realised they contained nuts.... it almost killed him.X(


    We told the restaurant about our allergies and yet they still served us this things, albeit it was a different waiter who served us.


    IF we'd been American, we would have been shouting law suit at them, but instead we walked out. Apart from almost getting killed by them, it was a very nice meal!:rolleyes::)

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  • You can't go banning things that somebody might be allergic to. After all I have a friend who is allergic to fish, eggs and peas. Are you seriously expecting those foods to be banned? Or indeed any number of things that a few or very few are allergic to.


    Obviously food establishments should be vary aware of what is put into their offering. The friend I mentioned we went for a meal in one place and he asked about the things that he's allergic to and was assured that the dish he'd ordered didn't have peas or pea flour in but it had mange tout, which are from the pea family and would have made him react.

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  • Byron burger allergy death: Owen Carey's family demand law change

    The family of a teenager with a dairy allergy who died after he unwittingly ate buttermilk in a burger restaurant have called for a change in the law.

    Owen Carey ordered grilled chicken at Byron burger at the O2 Arena in London while celebrating his 18th birthday.

    He told staff about his allergy but was not told the meal included buttermilk.

    After a coroner ruled he was not told about allergens that led to his death, Mr Carey's family said the current policy left too much room for error.

    I have a severe allergy to nuts and I would never touch anything unless I was certain what was in the food to begin with.


    The family of the dead teenager want compulsory labelling of all allergens on restaurants menus, which seems fair enough to me, but what about the actual individual with the allergy? If you have such a severe allergy that it can kill you if you eat the wrong food, is it not your responsibility to check what ingredients are in menu items?

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  • When I was young I never came across anyone with violent food allergy and we ate all sorts of things. Yet today, this seems prevalent. ?

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  • I agree, there were never any allergies when we were young

    I know that when my eldest grandson was born and switched from breast milk to formula he had a severe reaction - bright red from head to toe like a boiled lobster

    Rushed to hospital the paediatrician immediately diagnosed the problem, an allergy to milk which he claimed was quite common in so many babies. He blamed the antibiotics and other things that are routinely pumped into cattle

    Prescribed keeping him on soya milk for twelve months when the allergy would disappear - it did

    This boy who sadly died was allergic to milk, his burger was coated in buttermilk whatever that is/ If we start banning everything that people have allergies to there would be nothing left

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  • It's astonishing that he could have had such an acute reaction to wholesome old buttermilk. 8| Coming out in spots or itches is one thing, but dying? =O

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  • I was reading an article the other day which pointed the finger at extreme cleanliness, which results in the bodies immune system having nothing to 'attack' so it 'invents' something that it rarely meets. It didn't claim this as fact, just a possibility, but it also highlighted the fact that people introduced to different foods at a very young age were less prone to allergies, and the same applies to children raised in homes with pets and other animals as they develop a better and more 'targeted' immune system.

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  • I agree Fidget.


    I had some cousins who were brought up on a farm and from toddlers were used to playing in pig muck. Today, they're about a thousand times healthier than me and are twenty years older.


    Scientists have warned for ages about using anti-bacterial cleaners in the house, but these days they're prevelent. Unfoteunly, my borther who I live with, is insisitent that they're used everywhere. We need bacteria and if we detroy it all, our bodies become allergic to the world. It's one of the reasons why I like gardeing (not that I can do any at the moment) as at least I'm exposed to some outside germs.


    I agree, there were never any allergies when we were young

    I know that when my eldest grandson was born and switched from breast milk to formula he had a severe reaction - bright red from head to toe like a boiled lobster

    Rushed to hospital the paediatrician immediately diagnosed the problem, an allergy to milk which he claimed was quite common in so many babies. He blamed the antibiotics and other things that are routinely pumped into cattle

    Prescribed keeping him on soya milk for twelve months when the allergy would disappear - it did

    This boy who sadly died was allergic to milk, his burger was coated in buttermilk whatever that is/ If we start banning everything that people have allergies to there would be nothing left

    That's interesting bryan.


    I was fed on on formula milk and although never officially confirmed, I think I'm dairy intolerant too. I've always had milk, but it doesn't agree with me...My mother always used to feed me on rusks in milk when I was a little older and I used to just spit it out, so essentially I was malnourished a bit when I was a baby. Like you, her generation had never come across food allergies. When she gave me peanuts once when I was a toddler and a had a severe reaction to them, our GP at the time told her to sod off with me choking in his room, supposedly.

    When I was young I never came across anyone with violent food allergy and we ate all sorts of things. Yet today, this seems prevalent. ?

    It's getting worse and worse and worse LW. People living in sterile houses. Kids that never play outside. At this rate, people will just become allergic to everything.

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  • One problem with legislating is that in any establishment's kitchen allergens of any kind can be present and can conceivably contaminate any foods being prepared. For a smaller outlet the answer is simply to say no food they serve is free of potential allergens. Caveat emptor.


    As others have said I believe that overzealous cleanliness is the underlying cause in the rise of allergies.

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  • As you said last year Heero, food places need to be careful what they put in food and everything should be labelled, but there's no way to guarantee a allergen free environment unless its NASA.

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  • I often wonder if this is natures doing, in response to the human overpopulation. Likewise with poor fertility. It's probably more to do with the chemicals in our lives, and the additives in our food, but I do believe that nature is a great leveller and will win in the end and eventually we will all become so dependent on life saving drugs and 'safe' habitats that nobody will survive without them.


    Maybe the only long term 'survivors' will be the isolated tribes who never see other humans.

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  • Old wives tales used to say let your child play in the garden, and eat the soil

    I've never eaten soil, but yep, always played in the garden.

    Maybe the only long term 'survivors' will be the isolated tribes who never see other humans.

    As long as they don't get burned out of the Amazon, that is, I agree.


    I often wonder if this is natures doing, in response to the human overpopulation. Likewise with poor fertility. It's probably more to do with the chemicals in our lives, and the additives in our food, but I do believe that nature is a great leveller and will win in the end and eventually we will all become so dependent on life saving drugs and 'safe' habitats that nobody will survive without them.

    I'm tempted to mention one of my favourite subjects here in reply to that, but when I started on it last time last year, I think I lost a few members as a result, so I'll restrain myself. Fans of sci-fi may know what I'm referring to.;)

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