PRINCE ANDREW - is there no smoke without fire? Sex abuse of young girls allegations??

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  • In line with Epstein "murder" and Clinton et al. There is an Australian TV programme (60 Minutes) reporting with victims of the Queens son (prince Andrew) as they allege he sexually abused them when they were aged 14 and they want action?

    Is it not time the rich and powerful were fully dealt with in accordance with the rule of law??

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  • So far, the allegations against Andrew have only been from people who were of legal age at the time, so if this is true, it could be bad news for Andrew, but why make the accusations on a Australian programme if they were all American?

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  • So far, the allegations against Andrew have only been from people who were of legal age at the time, so if this is true, it could be bad news for Andrew, but why make the accusations on a Australian programme if they were all American?

    "14" is the legal age?

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  • The MSM are protecting him. This is what I find unacceptable, as well as the sex abuse. The news today about "VAPES" "VAPIN" .. these pretend smoking things which fill a whole room with one out-breath?? The news today is "Vaping kills people"?? this is a hyped up story to keep the dirty prince out of the media.

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  • I often wonder why the BBC has dropped 'youth' from the English lexicon. In its newspeak, young males are boys up to the age of 18, then they suddenly become men on their 19th birthday. I can usually figure out weird and inexplicable stuff, but I'm really stymied on this one; all I'm sure of is that there must be a reason for it - probably something to do with immigrants. I'm sure of something else too . . . if someone had called me a 'boy' when I was in my late teens I'd have taken strong exception to it.

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  • If the premise is .... the Queens son and others of high education and high status with direct immediate contact to lawyers at al. do NOT understand the law of the land and the standards for respect and decency then why do they impose their position upon the rest of us.

    I knew and still know how to assess and judge a person - especially a female in regard to how far you intrude into the inter relationship thing - you just dont abuse any person and in dirty Andrews position - he would 100% know what Epstein is/was and Clintons is famous for his dirty criminal behaviour - these are the people our Prince mixed with.

    I have never heard the MSM say, about the knife wielding black lads in London..... "of course they could not possibly be aware of the gangs and peer pressure in their chosen mix of groups".

    Its time to stop excusing vile, scum, billionaire people in the highest positions in our society. The fact is they also have the power to cover it up. and there is NO ONE - NOTHING on this planet with more power than Queen Elizabeth. !!! If she wants she could get rid of all the girls .... next we will be saying she killed Dianna... now that is a bridge too far.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • If the premise is .... the Queens son and others of high education and high status with direct immediate contact to lawyers at al. do NOT understand the law of the land and the standards for respect and decency then why do they impose their position upon the rest of us.

    I knew and still know how to assess and judge a person - especially a female in regard to how far you intrude into the inter relationship thing - you just dont abuse any person and in dirty Andrews position - he would 100% know what Epstein is/was and Clintons is famous for his dirty criminal behaviour - these are the people our Prince mixed with.

    I have never heard the MSM say, about the knife wielding black lads in London..... "of course they could not possibly be aware of the gangs and peer pressure in their chosen mix of groups".

    Its time to stop excusing vile, scum, billionaire people in the highest positions in our society. The fact is they also have the power to cover it up. and there is NO ONE - NOTHING on this planet with more power than Queen Elizabeth. !!! If she wants she could get rid of all the girls .... next we will be saying she killed Dianna... now that is a bridge too far.

    The rumours abound that alleged that the Queen had an affair with Lord Porchester, aka Porchie, her racing manager who lived at the house used as background in Downton Abbey

    Continually denied but then Andrew bears more than a striking resemblance to him. This "affair" is being widely portrayed in the forthcoming episodes of The Crown

    One of the Loose Women described being told by Betty Driver, a Coronation St actress, who had a property in London with a roof terrace, seeing a "senior member of the royal family having sex on the adjoining roof terrace. She was hurriedly urged to keep quiet by the other loose women

    There is no mention if it was a man or woman, so could have been Margaret or Anne both or whom had a voracious sexual appetite, or Charles & Camilla or Phillip. Whoever it was we will never know because they are all very capable of quashing such stories

    But drip by drip the truth will emerge

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  • Ok, so he sha99ed a tart (Virginia Roberts Guiffre) who looked old enough. Big f-ing deal! In fact she was at the time age 17. And who gives a flying f-ck whether that is below the legal limit in one US state vs another? Virginia (talk about a misleading first name!) was in attendance voluntarily, for the fun and the money - don't forget the money - and at that stage Epstein was just a typical semi-depraved over-sexed hedonist with a $h1tload of money to help cultivate people in high places. A modern version of Hugh Heffner without the dressing gown. And Andrew was just another royal who had neither sufficient money or status to strike out on his own - and probably no great motivation. Having risked his neck in the Falklands, had his first love relationship with Koo Stark (truly a class act) mauled by the tabloid press and his runner up choice (Fergy) to high spirited and self-indulgent to make the tabloid press grade until it was too late, what was left for Andrew except the soft option of monetizing his semi-royal identity as a social and commercial influence?


    Against this background, what in this thread is the great contribution from Forum Box? That there is "no smoke without fire"? What a pathetic cliched moronic notion. It gets difficult to stand up straight if you keep stooping this low*.


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    * Guy walks along with one foot on the pavement and the other in the gutter. Someone says "why are you walking like that? He says: "I thought I was crippled"

  • Errr.... you seem angry? Tis but a discussion group. Epstein is a convicted pedo. Clinton is a rapist and known criminal sexual pervert.. are you saying because Handy Andy served in the Falklands .. this allows him to abuse young girls aged 14? Wow... after all there is no way a military guy can ever rape or abuse anyone is there???

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  • Can I remind members that where rumour and heresay claim something against an individual or organisation but there is no proof that use of the word "alleged" is recommended. This is to protect us and yourselves from possible legal action.

    Thanks. Have added alleged to mine

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  • Yep, it sure is tough, being 'a royal'? lol But the entire bunch of them seem to be dysfunctional - I think it's because they don't have enough to occupy their time. I mean, look at Charles' 'friendship' with that paedo priest, and his extra-marital clandestine trysts with the woman he's with now (can't be bothered to look up her name!); and Margaret's escapades, particularly in the Bahamas. A mate of mine's (he's long since departed) mother used to be 'in service' to a family - I use the word in its loosest sense - of aristocrats near Mayfield who, interalia, 'entertained' royal personages, and the things she claimed to have witnessed, as a very young woman at the time, is enough to make anyone's hair curl. It kinda proves that everything isn't necessarily as it would seem to be?

    There are none who do so much harm as those obsessed with doing good.


    People are far more more likely to believe a lie if they want it to be the truth.

  • I can not see how/why anyone would want to defend this family. I told some friends, we were having a meal in a pub, of the many millions the royals stash offshore, they went ballistic in defence of the "wonderful family and all they do for tourism"?? LOL it was literally as if I had stabbed their pet Cat or Dog with a cold knife. Ok, its ok to challenge in debate but to virtually burst blood vessels supporting this family who would not care if all of them (my friends) suffered with aids.

    It is cognitive dissonance writ large.

    When I said... "they stash many millions offshore while Military Veterans suffer PTSD from fighting for the Monarch (literally) in the name of the CROWN" ... they just dont want to know. This is sheep mentality beyond normal.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • I can not see how/why anyone would want to defend this family. I told some friends, we were having a meal in a pub, of the many millions the royals stash offshore, they went ballistic in defence of the "wonderful family and all they do for tourism"?? LOL it was literally as if I had stabbed their pet Cat or Dog with a cold knife. Ok, its ok to challenge in debate but to virtually burst blood vessels supporting this family who would not care if all of them (my friends) suffered with aids.

    It is cognitive dissonance writ large.

    When I said... "they stash many millions offshore while Military Veterans suffer PTSD from fighting for the Monarch (literally) in the name of the CROWN" ... they just dont want to know. This is sheep mentality beyond normal.

    Rather like the obsession with religion, and dogs, it just has to be a DNA thing: for 'royal-watchers' (as the media describes them) to fawn over a bunch of privileged strangers who couldn't give a fuck about them, is bizarre in the extreme.

    There are none who do so much harm as those obsessed with doing good.


    People are far more more likely to believe a lie if they want it to be the truth.

  • I was in our staff room, watching TV news... the headlines - "Queen Mother in hospital"?

    There was 3 other people in the room... they all said, with absolute fawning subservience.... "I dont know how this great woman works as hard as she does - no one could do her job"!!!!

    I was aghast. I said.. "you what?, she doesnt even wipe her own backside" - "she doesnt even put her coat on by herself" - "she doesnt even open doors herself"!!!!!! "what about real people who are genuinley struggling.. people losing their jobs because of banks foreclosing on businesses and mortgages etc"!! "pensioners living alone scared to turn on the heating"!!!

    They thought I was nuts!!???

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • I take it you are a republican

    I am very pragmatic. i never have time for fawning over millionaires and billionaires, especially the Royals and celebrities. I do admire people of integrity... I am NOT jealous, no way. I support that people who work hard and or create or invent stuff and become very rich deserve it. I simply say that their status through money and privilege in no way makes them experts or people worthy of note. Yes, some are... but George Clooney and Johnny Depp telling me NOT to go on holiday abroad, using an airplane.. from their heated swimming Pool .. is bollox.

    The Queen Mother et al. might be a nice person, as an individual character but to conflate that with "how the hell does she work so hard and do the things she does"!!! for me is beyond pathetic.

    Your average Paramedic has done more in one day.

    I am anti Monarchy. They are hypocrites and parasites.

    I always remember: Public schoolboys pillow fighting, in boarding school - are "skylarking about"?

    Young offenders in Borstal do the same .. are "troublesome thugs and deserve severe disciplinary action"??

    This is a mindset??

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • I was in our staff room, watching TV news... the headlines - "Queen Mother in hospital"?

    There was 3 other people in the room... they all said, with absolute fawning subservience.... "I dont know how this great woman works as hard as she does - no one could do her job"!!!!

    I was aghast. I said.. "you what?, she doesnt even wipe her own backside" - "she doesnt even put her coat on by herself" - "she doesnt even open doors herself"!!!!!! "what about real people who are genuinley struggling.. people losing their jobs because of banks foreclosing on businesses and mortgages etc"!! "pensioners living alone scared to turn on the heating"!!!

    They thought I was nuts!!???

    Unbelievable isn't it, how adults can so easily be subservient to a total stranger! Something else - it's commonly believed (even proved, I think) that the queen mother's household was staffed entirely by homosexuals. The standing joke at the time was who is the queen, her or one of the staff. I seem to recall that even she shared the joke.

    There are none who do so much harm as those obsessed with doing good.


    People are far more more likely to believe a lie if they want it to be the truth.

  • "I always remember: Public schoolboys pillow fighting, in boarding school - are "skylarking about"?

    Young offenders in Borstal do the same .. are "troublesome thugs and deserve severe disciplinary action"??"

    Pillow fighting is all foreplay before being buggered ;)

    BTW IMO The Queen Mother is the greatest actress this country has ever had

    A Hand Up Not A Hand Out

  • "I always remember: Public schoolboys pillow fighting, in boarding school - are "skylarking about"?

    Young offenders in Borstal do the same .. are "troublesome thugs and deserve severe disciplinary action"??"

    Pillow fighting is all foreplay before being buggered ;)

    BTW IMO The Queen Mother is the greatest actress this country has ever had

    LOL.... good satire.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

  • Errr.... you seem angry? Tis but a discussion group. Epstein is a convicted pedo. Clinton is a rapist and known criminal sexual pervert.. are you saying because Handy Andy served in the Falklands .. this allows him to abuse young girls aged 14? Wow... after all there is no way a military guy can ever rape or abuse anyone is there???

    Perhaps my mini tirade got in the way of the essential point I was trying to make - which I thought was pretty obvious - which is that regardless of whether Andy served in the Falklands, or is Royalty, or an MP, or an estate agent, or a good for nothing, or a poor judge of character in choosing who to mix with socially, he is still entitled to the benefit of the doubt of not being a pedophile until there is evidence to the contrary. Possibly even more so than someone like your good self, who changes the age from 17 to 14 to reinforce an unfounded prejudice. I don't think one needs an IQ in double figures to recognise that that the adage of "no smoke without fire" is not evidence, even among Forum Box members who can't or won't recognise the distinction between 14 and 17

  • Perhaps my mini tirade got in the way of the essential point I was trying to make - which I thought was pretty obvious - which is that regardless of whether Andy served in the Falklands, or is Royalty, or an MP, or an estate agent, or a good for nothing, or a poor judge of character in choosing who to mix with socially, he is still entitled to the benefit of the doubt of not being a pedophile until there is evidence to the contrary. Possibly even more so than someone like your good self, who changes the age from 17 to 14 to reinforce an unfounded prejudice. I don't think one needs an IQ in double figures to recognise that that the adage of "no smoke without fire" is not evidence, even among Forum Box members who can't or won't recognise the distinction between 14 and 17

    You are fixated on the age of 17

    These women allege that Andrew had sex with them when they were 14 years old

    It is all speculation but given the reputation of those in power including the royals it is believable

    If he is so innocent then ley him go to the States and answer the allegations in a court

    A Hand Up Not A Hand Out

  • Perhaps my mini tirade got in the way of the essential point I was trying to make - which I thought was pretty obvious - which is that regardless of whether Andy served in the Falklands, or is Royalty, or an MP, or an estate agent, or a good for nothing, or a poor judge of character in choosing who to mix with socially, he is still entitled to the benefit of the doubt of not being a pedophile until there is evidence to the contrary. Possibly even more so than someone like your good self, who changes the age from 17 to 14 to reinforce an unfounded prejudice. I don't think one needs an IQ in double figures to recognise that that the adage of "no smoke without fire" is not evidence, even among Forum Box members who can't or won't recognise the distinction between 14 and 17

    My "fix" on 14 has nothing to do with your "fix" on 17. The "girls" now adult women are interviewed on the TV programme "60 Minutes Australia" .. they speak about being coerced and manipulated by Maxwells daughter Guislane - a proven nasty piece of work - into the full power, domination of famous billionaires and millionaires. They were 14 at the time. I suppose the clue is in the programme NOT being a UK programme??

    You then have to use insulting terminology - "forum members dont know the difference between 14 and 17" this attitude is mostly an indicator your point of view is snowflaked??

    The matter is simple for me; When I see a very rich powerful person linked to abuse of young weak people.. I tend to fight for the weak. There is ample historic evidence to show the rich and powerful (especially the Royal Family) are as corrupt as hell. Including MURDER.

    I have vast experience of law and courts and criminals by the way. I am NOT saying I am therefore always right but I am saying I give you the respect that you also may have experience and therefore do not insult you nor get angry in my terminology.

    I know people with iQs above 133 who absolutely accepted WMDs did exist in Iraq. Even with my low iQ Blair never fooled me.

    when you see an Apple Tree why be surprised it grows Apples.

    People don't believe lies because they have to - they believe lies because they want to.

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