PRINCE ANDREW - is there no smoke without fire? Sex abuse of young girls allegations??

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  • Her Majesty's new annus horribilis: Andrew's disgrace, Philip's car crash, and Harry and Meghan's jetsetting... royal biographer A. N. WILSON writes that for first time in generations, the Queen lacks a wise adviser – and the price may be ruinous......

    all this for 60 pence a year... only O'leary could top this.

  • I'm in the kitchen. You are standing outside with your nose pressed up against the window. I didn't threaten you. I merely expressed my opinion on trolls.

    You suggested the British regents support debauchery and that they support it in their son. I cautioned you to be careful what you casually threw around publicly as those are extremely libelous suggestions. Apart from the fact that they are wholly fictional.

    Andrew so far hasn't had sex with an under aged girl, hasn't fiddled any kids or trafficked any women and there is no evidence to support any mad accusations on the part of lawyers and the media that Prince Andrew has "no compassion" for abused young girls. The whole thing is a disgusting farce. And it's deflecting attention from the real culprit who is conveniently dead.

    Stop pretending to be hurt. I know this ploy. I won't work with me. As far as I am concerned this subject is closed. They must obtain proof that Andrew knew this girl and was involved in "forcing" her to sleep with him. If they cannot and if they cannot explain that strange photo that looks altered, then perhaps they should stop badgering him when the real culprit is Epstein and he is dead.

    I don't think there's any doubt that he knew her otherwise she wouldn't have allowed him to put his arm around her waist, and more importantly, be so relaxed about such intimacy, so he knew her alright. But the crux is that nobody will ever know the truth, because with wealth, social power and celebrity comes influence, and that means there are those who are willing to lie for personal favours or monetary enrichment, whichever they choose. And it's pointless that anybody should defend him unless they can prove they witnessed the offence, so apart from cctv evidence, that too is impossible. Therefore Buckingham Palace's rebuttals and his mother's denials are meaningless and irrelevant. In short, although nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors, very often demeanor and body language can strongly suggest that something did go on? Additionally there's no point whatever in the FBI interviewing him, because like the claims of Russian interference into the presidential election, they'll never be able to prove it, and it will just be a waste of everybody's time.

    I don't think there should be any accusations of paedophilia (I'm talking about Andrew here, not Epstein - I don't know what he got up to) because there has been no child involvement: the main case is abuse of fame/celebrity to procure sex with young females, and at 17 years of age, this woman also knew what she was doing.

  • "I don't think there should be any accusations of paedophilia (I'm talking about Andrew here, not Epstein) - I don't know what he got up to) because there has been no child involvement: the main case is abuse of fame/celebrity to procure sex with young females, at at 17 years of age, this woman also knew what she was doing".

    Epstein is a convicted pedophile. All my comments have inferred or directly linked Andrews choice of "best mate" is a pedophile. That is fair comment.

    It is beyond doubt that Epstein "trafficked" young girls. Trafficking is a serious criminal offence. It is beyond doubt his Royal parasite was involved with girls who were "trafficked" to Epsteins island /home.

    It is obvious that Epstein had stuff on the son of our Monarch from which he could and probably did blackmail him. This is why Epstein was arrested, in order to get him in a prison cell and knock him off. Which is exactly what happened.

  • Her Majesty's new annus horribilis: Andrew's disgrace, Philip's car crash, and Harry and Meghan's jetsetting... royal biographer A. N. WILSON writes that for first time in generations, the Queen lacks a wise adviser – and the price may be ruinous......

    all this for 60 pence a year... only O'leary could top this.

    I don't think it will be ruinous because of the irrational and mindless public adoration of the individual members of the monarchy, and that's something I'll never understand. The reason that I believe it won't be ruinous is because even over so many years of blatant paedophilia within 'the church', they still have their congregations? As they say - There's nowt s'queer as folk?

  • I don't think it will be ruinous because of the irrational and mindless public adoration of the individual members of the monarchy, and that's something I'll never understand. The reason that I believe it won't be ruinous is because even over so many years of blatant paedophilia within 'the church', they still have their congregations? As they say - There's nowt s'queer as folk?

    LOL... dont mention that word.. Pxxxxxxxxx. It triggers people.

    The head of The Establishment can not be ruined. Which of course is why they circumvent the Rule of Law. I agree, the fact people blindly support them or worse still, support them in full knowledge of their arrogance through privilege is beyond me.

    I am not digging them out because they are Royals per se... I really was a huge fan of Lady Di. I think I have the absolute right to criticise them especially when I pay for their lifestyle.

    I was on duty escorting Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, in Holland. She was very friendly and open. I really like her. Our Royals used to, perhaps still do, rush to Sandringham at high speed under Police Motorcycle escort and NOT ONCE think of stopping to meet the people on the way. I get the security aspect but this is always hanging over them. If they met the people as often as they attend million dollar 5 course meals with ONLY the rich I could perhaps grow to support them. Its the arrogance through privilege I despise.

  • I wonder if ordinary plebs who are linked with criminal sex abuse (paedophilia) on the verge of police interest.. could go on TV and plead their good name??

    What if Tommy Robinson spoke about it - would he be breaking any laws... of course, they would pin that on him.

  • In Prince Andrew's youth he was known as Randy Andy and was a party animal. It seems, judging by photos of his antics, that he still is, or was until recently. Perhaps he has finally grown up. Who knows? Who gives a monkey's?

    Andrew appears to be being reeled into the wrathful needs of the so-called trafficked girl brigade and their lawyer. You cannot prosecute people for the acquaintances they may have had and you can't try and pin sexual attacks or abuse on them if they were merely bonking everything willing in a skirt.

    I wouldn't give that photo with Andrew's arm round someone any credibility unless they can produce the negative. As it stands, it looks photo shopped. It isn't evidence of anything untoward and the girl concerned looks unlike a frightened, molested victim.

    How were the other girls "trafficked"? Were they brought in as illegal immigrants? If not then they weren't trafficked as such. They were groomed if under age or exploited if not. Why did they not leave? Where were their parents or families if they were under age?

    Why has it taken them so long to spill the beans? Why is Andrew being roped in? If he didn't hurt anyone and wasn't sleeping with ten year olds why are they trying to entrap him?

    If I were Her Majesty's advisor I would decide that it was time Ma'am called a halt to this crap and called for some hard proof that Andrew is some sort of criminal. If they have nothing, then they must desist from attempting to smear him by association.

    Epstein's death has buggered any hopes of getting money out of him. It's no use trying to get any out of the Crown and if they are lying about Andrew then they should be prosecuted for libel. If not, they must provide incontrovertible facts. Otherwise it's just their word against anyone else's. This is tragic for genuine cases, but it is practically impossible to prosecute someone on hearsay. You need solid evidence. Even for historical rape (and many women and men have had to endure this horror) it is rather pointless trying to pin this decades later on people who will simply deny it. Of course they will deny it! That is why the justice system relies on the rule of law.

    They used to burn "witches" on mere hearsay a few centuries ago. Now they seem to be willing to do it again. That is what must be stopped, not the finding and prosecuting of criminals for real crimes. Anyone can get up and say "I was raped". That just isn't enough, although many were raped and are being raped as we speak about it. Proving it can be difficult and one would have to ask oneself what one could possibly hope to gain by trying to bring a perpetrator to book decades after the fact with no evidence.

    There have been, and will be, quite a few opportunistic and fake reports. Because that is what humans do when they become either psychologically affected or see a chance to destroy someone or make money out of something. The courts can't be expected to believe without question every accusation. The courts need proof. Epstein is dead, so that case is basically cold. He cannot be punished or prosecuted as he simply isn't here any more. He died in prison. End of story. Grinding one's axe and hoping to use it on someone else instead is possibly going to make certain people look iffy. Lawyers will always push for a case because they know they are going to get paid. But even they have to provide the kind of evidence necessary for conviction without a shadow of a doubt. At the moment there is just shadow. I fail to see how they will be able to get anywhere with whatever they are trying to do by trying to implicate a member of the British Royal family.

    It's time for Britain to do something about it before it escalates. They are also trying to implicate Trump and anyone else they can lay hands on. All prime targets for the feminist third wave agenda. It's snowballing. This is when some sane person needs to call a halt to what could become a huge expensive and pointless farce.

  • "I don't think there should be any accusations of paedophilia (I'm talking about Andrew here, not Epstein) - I don't know what he got up to) because there has been no child involvement: the main case is abuse of fame/celebrity to procure sex with young females, at at 17 years of age, this woman also knew what she was doing".

    Epstein is a convicted pedophile. All my comments have inferred or directly linked Andrews choice of "best mate" is a pedophile. That is fair comment.

    It is beyond doubt that Epstein "trafficked" young girls. Trafficking is a serious criminal offence. It is beyond doubt his Royal parasite was involved with girls who were "trafficked" to Epsteins island /home.

    It is obvious that Epstein had stuff on the son of our Monarch from which he could and probably did blackmail him. This is why Epstein was arrested, in order to get him in a prison cell and knock him off. Which is exactly what happened.

    Don't get me wrong, mali: he should be hauled before a court to 'give his side of the story', by which I mean account for the cynical exploitation of his celebrity status in order to procure impressional young females, and it could even be argued he's entitled to prove his innocence - if he wants to? Obviously, if he doesn't want to, then that decision in and of itself, would speak volumes? My point was that there's a wide margin between exploiting children (say upto age 12 years?), and young women, many of whom are only too willing to become involved for the (as I've said) celebrity thing, which they can wear as some kind of badge of achievement.

    As to your last sentence - I've always thought exactly the same as you, and all of this is beginning to look like we were right, because it patently hasn't worked?

  • The tabloids are still full of it so trying to draw a line with that car crash interview has failed. Indeed it has raised more questions than it has answered.

    Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive? I didn't coin that, by the way! :D

  • The tabloids are still full of it so trying to draw a line with that car crash interview has failed. Indeed it has raised more questions than it has answered.

    That old saying ... when you are deep in a hole, stop digging.

    Truth will always show its front. He, Andrew, is clearly a liar. This attitude doubles up on failing support he might have induced. I dont care who it is.. liars should be shown for what they are and if they live off my hard earned tax.. I have the right to dig them out and I always will. Especially when - if you or I did the same we would be proper shafted.

  • Looks like the charities he's involved with are treating him like something nasty they trod in:

    City giant KPMG pulled out of his international business platform Pitch@Palace. And the Outward Bound charity could also axe him as patron.

    Trustees of the charity, one of the royals' favourite charities which works extensively with youngsters, will hold crisis talks this week.

    Children North East and The Children’s Foundation, both charities Andrew lists on his official website, has refused to say if he still had their support after his car-crash TV interview on Saturday night.

    Youth development charity Power2 said: “We will continue to monitor the situation closely.”

  • That old saying ... when you are deep in a hole, stop digging.

    Truth will always show its front. He, Andrew, is clearly a liar. This attitude doubles up on failing support he might have induced. I dont care who it is.. liars should be shown for what they are and if they live off my hard earned tax.. I have the right to dig them out and I always will. Especially when - if you or I did the same we would be proper shafted.

    Yep, it's still a case of 'one law for them, and another one for us', and it always will be.

  • Trevor Kavanagh's piece in the Sun is pretty damning:

    The excruciating BBC2 interview, replayed around the world, was a masterclass in reputational suicide, an insult to the intelligence of the British people and a snub to victims of the vile child sex trade.

    And judging by the social media storm which followed, few believe his protestations of innocence.

    The whole shifty exercise was rehearsed and artificial, shot through with evasion, alleged memory lapses and unlikely excuses.

    What was intended to draw a line under a decade-long saga of seedy claims and dodgy denials has destroyed the Duke of York’s public image and inflicted long-term damage on the Royal Family.

    Full piece on red link above.

  • They are all scum. That is obvious. However, what is the charge against Andrew? That he is a really crap royal role model? So was his Aunty Margaret. So what.

    There is almost certainly a whole raft of obligatory favours under the mat, but that still doesn't make Andrew culpable of any offence. Sleeping with a very experienced 17 year old Epstein recruit won't cut that mustard.

    Why is this whole thing being blown out of proportion?

    Ah, Brexit swerve.

  • They are all scum. That is obvious. However, what is the charge against Andrew? That he is a really crap royal role model? So was his Aunty Margaret. So what.

    There is almost certainly a whole raft of obligatory favours under the mat, but that still doesn't make Andrew culpable of any offence. Sleeping with a very experienced 17 year old Epstein recruit won't cut that mustard.

    Why is this whole thing being blown out of proportion?

    Ah, Brexit swerve.

    :huh: You shameless cynic! ^^

  • Cynic maybe, shameless, no.

    By the way, why are they all discussing Andrew's sweating? What does that have to do with anything?

    I don't know, I've been wondering the same thing, Maybe we missed a nuance somewhere along the way?

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