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  • Oh, I have long held the view that the Lords and the HoC for that matter, should move out of London. I propose they are both relocated in a new purpose built facility in Barrow-in-Furness.


    Firstly, Barrow is an absolute arse to get to from the South of England, so the road network and rail system will receive an instant upgrade, an airport would be nice too.


    Secondly, only the most dedicated would actually stand for election because they would have to live for at least half of their time in Barrow and that will make a man out of anyone, including the women.


    Thirdly, it is fairly equidistant from all four UK Capital Cities so we could abolish the regional assemblies and save a few quid and a lot of pointless hot air, and we must think about the climate these days...mustn't we?


    Fourth, it would make it much harder work to organise a protest outside parliament.


    Fifth, it would make a glorious backdrop for hosting dignitaries from overseas.


    It would remove focus and importance from London, and that cannot be a bad thing.

  • If we're to retain their lordships into the future, if, then yeah, go for it, send 'em to Barrow.^^

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  • Sixth: the attraction to work in Barrow rather than London would target deadbeats and that would enable Britain to sink to the bottom, whereupon the government to be taken over by an angry mob who would get things done

  • While they're still able to "earn" £300 per day for doing f&ck all, then where they're located is neither here or there.


    There needs to be far greater reform of the Lords than just plonking them up north.

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  • House of Lords peers are set to hand themselves a 3.1 percent pay rise, meaning they will receive a huge £323 per day tax-free.


    The decision to link increases in House of Lords allowances to Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) increases in MPs salaries was taken in 2008. Ministers are set to see their salaries go up by £2,000 to nearly £82,000 from April. During a standard year there can be 150 sitting days in the Lords, meaning peers could now receive nearly £50,000 without being charged any tax or national insurance on what they earn.

    The IPSA sets MP's pay increases linked to the change in average weekly earnings in the public sector for October.

    The Office for National Statistics (ONS) calculated that as being 3.1 percent.


    Do members think this is fair for just turning up? Should it be taxed and NIi?


    Maybe abolition of the lords should be back on the Agenda?

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  • Maybe abolition of the lords should be back on the Agenda?

    Many of the Lords hardly turn up for "work" as it is, they only clock in to get the allowance. Even before whole scale reform of the house which is needed, why are people paid to do nothing?


    I would start by sacking all lords who only turn up to clock on and get the allowance, or only make a few speeches a year. That would get rid of them instantly and think about what to do about the rest of them.

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  • I would start by sacking all lords who only turn up to clock on and get the allowance, or only make a few speeches a year. That would get rid of them instantly and think about what to do about the rest of them.

    Gets my vote.


    I wonder if a second house along the lines of the US Senate would be a way to go. You could have say a couple of Senators for each county. Though that makes the representation a bit lop sided with Rutland having the same number as say Middlesex.

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  • wonder if a second house along the lines of the US Senate would be a way to go.

    Isn't that pretty much what the House of Lords is. I would totally abolish the house of Lords. Don't see the point in having them.

  • I refer members to the first page of this thread and the discussion between Rob Alka (as he was known then) and myself. He comes up with some very good ideas.

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  • I presume it was originally intended as a sort of retirement home with pension for retiring MPs bt has now become a fount of experience and knowledge to the Commons

    Some very sensible ideas and proposals including brakes have come from the HOL so I would support their retention in another form. The State opening for instance with the monarch addressing them is a prime example of our continuing class system

    I would also insist that they have to do a full days week to earn their allowance

    If They Can Do It So Can I

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  • I think there is much merit in moving the centre of government in its entirety outside of London, along way outside of London.


    The North has been neglected for far too long and the Northern powerhouse should also have the centre of government at its heart.


    London will be just fine in its own nutty bubble. Once it is no longer propped up by a London centric government we might start to see the place return to some sort of normality.


    Ship out the government, ship out the institutions, ship out the financial centre, cancel new airports expansion and relocate the lot to the North. Perhaps change the capital city to Manchester and get people to start migrating to the North where all the work will be.


    They can start building HS2 east to west first as well and not bother with the north to south bit.

  • You would have to ship the lot, lock stock and barrel, including the London airports

    No chance

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  • There's two reasons why London is the place.


    1) this is where the old historical buildings are and where it all started along with trade flow down the Thames into the docks. It all good for the pantomime to have good theatrical backdrop.


    2) it's close to the financial sector and the city which has a different set of laws outside of existing so they can keep their corruption, control and money flowing into their pockets between them and trade / big business and in return big business also gets to work outside of being taxed or at least only paying min to show face, along with tax havens for big business, government and what we call criminals. So yes the whole lot would have to move.


    Lots of money can buy you your freedom otherwise your just another slave.


    The tax haven in the heart of Britain

    https://www.newstatesman.com/e…2/london-corporation-city


    The (Secret) City of London

    https://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/the-secret-city-of-london.html


    But the Guardian will do their best to try and protect their interests and those that feed them. Lets not forget that big media is part of the corruption and manipulation of the masses to distract us from what is really going on at deeper levels of government. Similar to the US black Op's and shadow governments in power outside of the constraints of voting and ruled only by money.


    https://www.theguardian.com/co…n-elections-not-above-law


    It stuff like this that makes us one of the most secretive countries in the world.

  • For the kind of work MP's do they deserve no more than £25,000 per a year plus perks like their subsidised bar. An MP's aide or secretary would deserve more.

  • For the kind of work MP's do they deserve no more than £25,000 per a year plus perks like their subsidised bar. An MP's aide or secretary would deserve more.

    I agree. They are at the very bottom of the popularity list. Almost sinking in a cesspit. But the shock is that no one cares.

  • For the kind of work MP's do they deserve no more than £25,000 per a year plus perks like their subsidised bar. An MP's aide or secretary would deserve more.

    So what do you propose, back to only the landed rich gentry ruling us?

    To open the door to anybody regardless of wealth you need to provide a suitable income to sustain accommodation in London and reimbursement for the anti social hours and disruption of family life

    If They Can Do It So Can I

  • Anti social hours and disruption of family life could apply to many people. Look at all those that work in the service industry pub restaurants etc.


    As for the housing there should be dorms built for them, maybe as part of parliament for those that live outside London to stay in while away from local office. Not some house or Flat in Kensington or some other affluent area. Stick them in council housing or even put them up in a travelodge / hotel for couple of nights. Geez maybe the Queen could put them up for a few nights, she has enough rooms.


    It should be the employer that provides them housing not give them a whole load of money so they can pick and choose and buy a second home. Do they sell them homes and give all the money back to the state when finished. And not only that they then have the gaul to spend loads on furnishing them and putting up artworks etc at tax payers expense. What other industries allow their employees to do that.


    What work do they really do. They mostly sit in parliament having arguments. They don't even pen push as they have aides/secretaries to do all that and they simply sign it all off, so they job consists of mostly reading papers and talking. That's an expensive packet of waffles.


    If I had my way I would abolish the complete Royal family and the Parliamentary system as it stands and have lottery type system where names from the general public are pulled out of a hat so they sit in for a period of time and then after a period do the same again so everyone gets a chance of having their say. Keep a small amount of permanent staff on hand as advisers and legal experts.

  • NORA > > "If I had my way I would abolish the complete Royal family and the Parliamentary system as it stands and have lottery type system where names from the general public are pulled out of a hat so they sit in for a period of time and then after a period do the same again so everyone gets a chance of having their say. Keep a small amount of permanent staff on hand as advisers and legal experts."


    Careful, you do realise this makes you an absolute hater of Britain and all it stands for. with the natural flow of linking you to Right -wing extremists and Tommy Robinsons supporter.... I think thats how it works.

  • LOL Hater of the system and way it runs yes definitely, come the revolution. As citizen smith said 'power to the people'. That's true democracy not a word fabricated to mask over what we have. Even the voting system is manipulated by the media to push us to vote a certain way along with a push from online media and nation state hackers. Guess who controls the media especially the BBC. Parties make promises they can't keep, they manipulate and feed us rubbish, they lie, they steal and are no longer fit for purpose. Some of them, prime ministers, even get away with war crimes and manipulate the legal system and hide behind the official secrets act to get away with it. Random citizen names drawn out a hat would be a much better solution and abandon the opposing party business where they care more about fighting the opposite side than actually working for the country and the people. Abandon the house of lords, I'd scrap the lot of them.


    As for laws the 10 commandants and everything written in the Magna Carta is good enough. Anything else is only written to either protect the corporate state or another way to manipulate and abuse their power, including the City of London which designed to protect tax evasion and offshore banking which MPs have their fingers in along with charitable trusts to mask over things and launder. Then take things like the right to peacefully protest for example. Why are they clamping down on people like Extinction Rebellion and filming and recording people that peacefully protest including the Brexiteers that stood outside parliament. They are now putting people on anti terror lists that that they take a disliking too including the likes of Greenpeace.


    I don't agree with the Natzi's but if a group want to make a protest and march and make Natzi salutes then that's their right as long that does not turn into violence and the police should only be there to keep the peace not tell them what they can and can't do or where they can and can't go. Now they are classed as criminals or worse marked as terrorists without committing a criminal offence accept an act has now been created to manipulate their agenda's. Anti terror laws have been abused since day one. How many citizens have been stopped and searched under that act for simply having a camera and taking a picture. Citizens / journalists not terrorists.


    The government are behaving like terrorists themselves, they are terrifying and it does not matter who is sitting in the seat. The only reason they are there is to look after number one. Get to a high enough position and then take early retirement and your sorted for life at the tax payers expense. You have your home paid for by the tax payer, security and everything else plus what you have beavered away in offshore banks, shares, and then maybe become a director/ patron of a company/s for looking after them while in power and all on top of your generous civil service pension. You might even get into the house of lords for a piss up and little sleep at £300 a day and all this while pensioners struggle to even get a free TV license. It's disgusting, they take while in power and continue to take when out. And now they give themselves another pay rise, it's outrageous. There's citizens living out of food banks and dustbin raiding FFS.

  • Blimey.. I thought I wrote that. I agree with all you have said.

  • I had to delete some as it was bit strong worded and I started getting into Oliver Cromwell, Ousting, Egypt and how the military stand by the people, the US and the reason for their right to bare arms. Proper anarchist me :D

  • The government are behaving like terrorists themselves, they are terrifying and it does not matter who is sitting in the seat. The only reason they are there is to look after number one

    Nora, most of what you say was proposed by the Labour party in the December election, and soundly rejected

    You'd better be careful, you'll be accused of being an embittered moaner who refuses to accept the verdict of the people, and horror or horrors - a "leftie"

    If They Can Do It So Can I