Westminster Sex Scandals and Bullying

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  • My scum neighbours and especially the one who is now deceased (:D) carried on this misery. After 10 months and repeated mentions, I still haven't created my neighbours from hell thread yet. That's how bad it was. When you are trapped whether it be a office or worse, your own home, it magnifies the abuse, the bullying.

  • Ok, enough of me and back to Westminster and the scandals are coming thick and fast, first of from earlier today:

    No 10 has insisted Andrea Leadsom did not call for Sir Michael Fallon to be sacked from the cabinet amid reports she complained about his conduct.

    The Sun and Daily Mail said the Commons leader complained about the ex-defence secretary making "lewd" remarks to her.

    Suspended Labour MP Kelvin Hopkins has said he "absolutely and categorically" denies claims of sexual harassment.

    Labour activist Ava Etemadzadeh, 27, earlier told the BBC that Mr Hopkins had hugged her inappropriately after a student event in 2014.

    And tonight, a new scandal:

    MP Charlie Elphicke has been suspended by the Conservatives after "serious allegations" that have been referred to the police, the party has said.

    Mr Elphicke, a former party whip who has been the MP for Dover since 2010, has denied any wrongdoing.

    This is not going to go away any time soon.

    On Tracey Ulman's comedy show tonight, there was a sketch which said to phone in your sexual harassment allegation before the media gets bored and move on to a new story.

    The media will move onto new stories when all the sewage has been cleared from Westminster.

    Which MP is next? Place your bets.

  • It does seem fashionable to out sex pests at the moment, what with Hollywood and now Westminster, we had Saville and various other British celebs a few years back, wonder where it will end.

  • It's become a farce. None of it should be made public until allegations can bring forth proof, or a rational case for arrest, especially if allegations are about mere lewd behaviour in the distant past. No proof, then no firing and suspending people and dragging them through the muck. Dung sticks and livelihoods will be ruined, future employment will be denied on the basis of often opportunistic and occasionally hysterical bandwagon jumping. Serious cases are another matter. They are being eclipsed by the "me too" effect.

    You aren't letting the side down if you're a woman and you think this is getting out of hand. You don't have to fire people and libel them if you're an employer and the accused has not been proven guilty of some serious illegal activity that has any hope of providing evidence for prosecution.

    The media and especially the internet social network curse is going viral again and the mob will rise. That is how lynchings happen and I'm personally repelled at the way this whole flood of accusations has been handled. The genuine cases are being swallowed up in the wave.

    I also agree with your comment, H, that powerful women can be as nasty and abusive as powerful men. It's a human trait in those who seek control over their fellow travellers.

  • No, I don't think its about political maneuvering, but people putting their hands where they shouldn't. Supposedly, Fallon has a history of such behaviour.

    I think in the case of politicians it's all about political maneuvering. I really can't believe that Leadsome is such a flower she was so traumatised so long after the event and she certainly didn't complain for the good of the party.

    Apparently Fallon wanted her removed because she was obstructive and she made a pre-emptive strike. Now it seems she's a victim of sexual harassment and obviously can't be sacked. Result - she's still in the running for any future leadership contest or at least a high ranking post.

    May's 'friend and colleague ' Andrea, who remember even tried to capitalise on the fact May didn't have children during the last leadership campaign, is going to need some watching I think.

  • The dramatic circumstances of Sir Michael Fallon’s sudden resignation as defence secretary last week can be revealed by the Observer.

    The cabinet heavyweight’s shock departure on Wednesday followed a phone call from the journalist, Jane Merrick, who informed Downing Street that he had lunged at her and attempted to kiss her on the lips in 2003 after they had lunched together.

    The revelation was the tipping point for No 10, which the Observer understands had been compiling a list of alleged incidents involving Fallon since claims against him were first made.

    That's why he went.

    He might not be a rapist, but he cannot control himself.

    Up to this point, I was all but ready to write of May, but its clear she sacked him and that was the correct decision by her.

    What about the others in her cabinet, what's she going to do about them, especially you know who....?

  • DM is ok, although its online version is a celebrity fest shit hole and as for Peter Hitches. what is he now? Once a communist now a neo-con, he seems to swing from one extreme to another and doesn't reflect the views of the average Briton.

    As its been two minutes since the last scandal, time for the next one:

    Theresa May's most senior minister has denied a claim that police found pornography on his computer during a raid on his Westminster office in 2008.

    First Secretary of State Damian Green said ex-police chief Bob Quick's claims in the Sunday Times were "completely untrue" and "political smears".

    And he said police had never told him that any improper material had been found on his parliamentary computer.

    Green is finished.

    I had forgotten that story that he was arrested. This was when Jacqui Smith (my husband loves watching porn rather than watching me) as Home Secretary, ordered MPs offices to be searched.

    So, who would replace Green? Shagger, I mean shaggy, Boris....:S:rolleyes:

  • I am beginning to think that a time limit really needs to be put on these sex abuse claims, 15 years before coming forward? , really?

    A woman claims rape but goes to her party for advice? , surely the police are the obvious choice after such a dreadful event?

    Apart from destroying the accused professionally , how can these claims be proved ?

  • If its something serious like rape, then I disagree about time limits. But if someone wants to make a complaint about lewd behaviour, then it probably would be best for a time limit.

    The whole problem here is that Westminster isn't organised like most organisations. There is no HR department and if the complaint is against a MP, in effect the MPs are self employed and would be investigating their own complaints under the current non-existent system.

  • I am beginning to think that a time limit really needs to be put on these sex abuse claims, 15 years before coming forward? , really?

    A woman claims rape but goes to her party for advice? , surely the police are the obvious choice after such a dreadful event?

    Apart from destroying the accused professionally , how can these claims be proved ?

    I think that's the terrible part about it for the accused. Their reputations in tatters, loss of job and status. In cases involving adults then there does need to be some sort of time limit to report these allegations. For a grown woman to now raise a complaint that she was 'offended ' or ' traumatised ' or whatever because a man who perhaps had had a few drinks at a party patted her backside 3 years ago is ridiculous.

  • For a grown woman to now raise a complaint that she was 'offended ' or ' traumatised ' or whatever because a man who perhaps had had a few drinks at a party patted her backside 3 years ago is ridiculous.

    One word: Compensayshun.^^

  • For some, they might be out for the money, but not most.

    I don't think anyone disagrees that for a one off minor incident such as touching the knee or a pat on the back, then women should be able to complain years or even decades later about that. But thus far, the allegations have not been about minor one off behaviour, they have been about sexual harassment and in some cases sexual assault.

  • Harassment and assault are in a different ball park, I agree. Women must learn to defend themselves. Slap the barsteward as hard as you can, then report the incident (immediately, not years later) and mention that you have defended yourself and what marks they will find on the perpetrator. Hand over any torn clothing, etc and photograph any bruises. In the case of rape, go straight to the police.

    If a man lunges at you to kiss you on the mouth clasp your hands together and hit him under the chin as hard as you can. He won't do it again, or rather, he'll pick a less capable target. It's sexual bullying and the way to end a bully's joy in tormenting you is to let him know you aren't going to be a walkover. He'll leave. They are cowards.

    If it's sexual or other bullying on the net, you have a more difficult situation as the net is the badlands of harassment where there are as yet few if any laws against this and your perpetrator can use an alias and hide behind anonymity. Those days will, I suspect, soon be coming to an end but at the moment, it's a free ride for this kind of scum.

    If it's a troll and it's being given carte blanche by the forum mods, leave the forum. I speak from experience and every time I have tried to go back because they recede if their targets recede, I have had to put up with the sod pouncing because it is waiting and a stalker. No matter what your reason for being there, leave. They go only where they can function without discipline and the law. And, of course, where you can't get your hands on them.

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    Tory rape claim: Andrea Leadsom 'knew of criminal investigation but took no action'

    Andrea Leadsom was told that police were conducting a criminal investigation after a senior Conservative was reported for an allegation of rape but did not take any further action.

    A female Tory activist has revealed she reported the allegation of rape and concerns about the "toxic" culture in Westminster to David Natzler, the Clerk of the House of Commons.

    She was led to believe that her concerns about the alleged attack would be passed to Ms Leadsom, the then Leader of the Commons, and Gavin Williamson, the then Chief Whip.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/0…ommons-ignored/

    So it would seem poor Andrea, so distraught at a saucy offer to warm her hands up, didn't consider a claim of rape by another female to be worth either comment or investigation? Double standards seem to be at work here. Of course, no one would ever think that Andrea was more concerned about her seat on the gravy train than the morals of her colleagues would they?

  • Saw it in the news this morning. This is major fallout from the unacceptable nonsense that has been whipped up by the media and the secrecy that those accused have to endure over accusations.

    The news item was way down the list of headlines. Why? It should have been the main news story.

    If this turns out to be a mere case of media induced hysteria, or if his "crime" was old school banter, then they have killed him by proxy.

    I hope they make his case one of the highest priority in this mad spate of what is increasingly starting to look like a witch hunt fuelled by a total lack of protection for those accused, who should all be innocent until proven guilty, the way the law intends them to be in countries supposedly governed by advanced forms of justice.

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