Changes to Freeview (with a techie edge)

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  • New licence for Sonymovies, but I thought they were already on Freeview!?


    http://static.ofcom.org.uk/sta…ps000097ba9sonymovies.htm


    Apparently, Sewing Quarter is still on Freeview, even though it was supposed to have closed. It's showing someone giving instructional sewing videos every hour (it's not clear if it's the same one on a loop though).


    Is this just a placeholder? Can slots on Freeview be traded in a similar way to Sky SD slots??

  • Sony ended a few licenses at the same time. See @ukdtt on Twitter.


    No, Freeview numbers can't be traded like on Sky. Often convoluted means happen to get EPG numbers on DTT as a result to get around the rules.


    I think Sewing Quarter is just repeating their non-sales content in a last ditch attempt to keep going until they get a buyer for the business.


    If the business is bought though, it can be a way to get around the rules. Freesports (or rather their parent Premier Sports) bought a small shopping channel to get their Ch64 slot on Freeview.

  • Does Sewing Quarter have a good EPG position?

  • Does Sewing Quarter have a good EPG position?

    SQ is Ch73 on Freeview, so not fantastic, but could be worse.


    There are multiple assets SQ has that a buyer may want, not necessarily the number.


    There's the actual space on a permanent multiplex, 8am-1pm, though that isn't exactly the most attractive time of day.


    And another shopping channel might see parts they could use aside from the broadcast parts e.g. expertise in crafts.


    They might not find a buyer for any of their assets. They'll try to sell it as a whole. Heck, maybe they are trying to get funding to keep it going in reduced capacity?

  • The short answer is no but some broadcasters are getting quite inventive in finding ways to work around the regulations.

    The long game Sony played with More>Movies to slowly turn it into a service which eventually mirrored Sony Movies before it officially changed was amazing.

  • Right, and the way ITV transferred its shopping strand to a third party to allow it to take the EPG slot was a bit sketchy. I guess that as owner of SDN and as an EPG slot hogger, that puts ITV in an unfair position.

  • I used to be quite up on this stuff a "few" years ago, so apologies if I ask a stupid question, but that link points to a page for Sony Movies and on the bottom of that page it says it was updated on the 23rd Jan, but how do you know that's a Freeview licence (it says sat/cable in the breadcrumbs for the page) and how do you know its a new licence? Thanks.

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  • I used to be quite up on this stuff a "few" years ago, so apologies if I ask a stupid question, but that link points to a page for Sony Movies and on the bottom of that page it says it was updated on the 23rd Jan, but how do you know that's a Freeview licence (it says sat/cable in the breadcrumbs for the page) and how do you know its a new licence? Thanks.

    That site is a mess. That Sat/Cable bit is indeed confusing. I believe the way you get to that page is via something that says DTT, but it doesn't show when you get to the page of the license itself. Bloomin' silly site design.


    I get the impression @ukdtt has automated their tweets on the subject, so there are obviously some criteria to look for...or it uses an RSS feed or the like.

  • I shall go and look henceforth for DTT. Thanks Cheeky.:)

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  • I guess by comparing the webpage listing from one day to the next. The easier, or less nerdy, way is to just follow the monthly updates.

  • Aha, found it. The DTT page is here:


    http://static.ofcom.org.uk/sta…l/tv/cs/dtasdtps-main.htm


    But apart from that page saying its been updated on the 23rd, I still don't understand how it's known that this is a new channel on Freeview. Anyone care to educate me?:)

    As I said to Richard a fair few messages ago, Sony ended (didn't renew) 3 licenses at the same time. Off the top of my head they were:

    SonyMovie, TrueCrime and TrueCrime1.


    So it looks like SonyMovies replaced SonyMovie. Though there may have been differences other than the extra "s". 8o

  • As I said to Richard a fair few messages ago, Sony ended (didn't renew) 3 licenses at the same time. Off the top of my head they were:

    SonyMovie, TrueCrime and TrueCrime1.


    So it looks like SonyMovies replaced SonyMovie. Though there may have been differences other than the extra "s". 8o

    So, it's not a new channel then. A new licence, but not a new channel.

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  • So, it's not a new channel then. A new licence, but not a new channel.

    I think they sometimes create new licenses when they need to update details like Head Office address and the like. I don't think they need to, I believe they can just be amended in many cases. Maybe this was one of the exceptions.

  • That might explain it then.


    It's also been suggested to me that it might be because the Sony app is coming to Freeview play. No idea if it is or not, or whether an app would need an Ofcom licence to launch.

  • Thanks chaps.


    I haven't looked on Freeview for years and I can see there have been lots of changes, but I wish there could be more HD so that I could ditch VM's tv.

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  • In general, people don't understand the licensing system and don't notice that multiple services are included on the same licence. The Ofcom page doesn't help. To track it properly, you have to check every service, record the licence number against the service name and then resort the whole thing based on licence numbers. We used to have the whole thing on a database, I just checked and the last time it was updated was November 2017. I guess it was too much effort for too little gain.

  • Did a quick background check on that and I reckon it will be IPTV services. The parent company of the licensee is Vision IPTV.

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  • In general, people don't understand the licensing system and don't notice that multiple services are included on the same licence. The Ofcom page doesn't help. To track it properly, you have to check every service, record the licence number against the service name and then resort the whole thing based on licence numbers. We used to have the whole thing on a database, I just checked and the last time it was updated was November 2017. I guess it was too much effort for too little gain.

    I used to do a similar thing (and with Sky and VM too) but other things got in the way and it never got updated.

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  • I used to do the same for radio but, sheesh, have you seen the state of Ofcom's radio records? Not just licences, anything...

  • Back to the subject of Freeview. The next batch of frequency changes locally will be to Emley Moor and some relay transmitters on February 5th. That should be the final batch of changes although further relays (including Oliver's Mount, Keighley & Idle) will change frequency on February 12th. Also on Feb 5th, Sheffield and relays have their final frequency changes, with Sheffield losing COM 7 & COM 8, and the Grenoside transmitter finally being activated for the Sheffield local multiplex. Grenoside will be horizontally polarised and will bring Sheffield Live to residents of Northern Sheffield and other areas which normally receive their signals from Emley Moor (rather than the Sheffield transmitter aka Crosspool or Tapton Hill). Maybe I'll actually be able to receive Sheffield Live for the first time, how exciting! :rolleyes: - Although Grenoside is significantly off beam from Emley Moor at this location.


    5th February also brings the first step of the final frequency changes for Belmont and relays and for Chesterfield, with Belmont getting the last of its frequency changes on March 4th after the East Midlands changes have released the required frequencies.


    Other scheduled changes:


    Feb 5th

    East Anglia East -Talcolneston (relays)


    Feb 12th

    East Anglia West - Sandy Heath region


    Feb 20th

    North West - Winter Hill region (stage 1)


    March 4th

    Northern Ireland / Belfast - Divis region

    East Midlands - Waltham & Nottingham regions

    Scotland / Ayrshire - Darvel region


    April 22nd

    North West - Winter Hill region (stage 2) - including Saddleworth & Storeton and relays of Lancaster & Pendle Forest

    North East Wales - Moel Y Parc region

    West Borders - relays of Caldbeck & Caldbeck Scotland


    April 29th

    Isle of Man - Douglas

    West Borders - Kendal

    West Borders - Caldbeck (2nd frequency for local channel activated)


    When that lot is complete and the DTT scanners have competed their updated DTT frequency plan, they should have more time to monitor the more routine changes on Freeview.

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  • Did a quick background check on that and I reckon it will be IPTV services. The parent company of the licensee is Vision IPTV.

    Sony? That would be interesting.


    Is there any way they could implement it in a way that, if the user doesn't get their relevant channels via a Local TV multiplex the number would divert to streaming if an internet connection is present?


    I'm envisaging a version of what one of the Now music channels does (it only transmits for 2 hours in the morning, outside those hours it's streamed) but for the entire broadcast day if the viewer isn't in an appropriate reception region.

  • Is there any way they could implement it in a way that, if the user doesn't get their relevant channels via a Local TV multiplex the number would divert to streaming if an internet connection is present?

    Not on the channel number used on the local mux, although streamed versions could be added in the 200's.


    LCNs are held in the NIT on Freeview, so it doesn't have much flexibility.