Is our Nige a hypocrite?

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  • Nigel Farage told the Andrew Marr Show it would not be hypocritical to accept a £73,000 EU pension.

    Nige led the country to the Brexit door, yet when it comes to his own personal EU perks, he doesn't want to let go.


    He is correct though, he's been and still is, a MEP and is entitled to a EU pension, but does this story symbolise the problems with those that rule over, in that when it really comes down to is, they will look after their own interests first and foremost?


    He could do the decent thing and refuse to take a EU pension, but even for someone as wealthy as him, 73k is a lot to turn down on morale grounds, but should he?


    Is Nigel Farage a hypocrite for accepting the EU pension? I think he is.

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  • Politicians are eternally disappointing creatures. But they do tend to be predictable. Dangle something tasty in front of them and they snap at it like a piranha.

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  • All politicians are hypocrites, their main priority is to feather their own nests.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • I think this is why, no matter what the ideology they are promoting, politicians tend to screw up and the people become the victims of their governing strata to do anything of lasting value and the economy falls on its face through mismanagement and corruption. (I have little to no faith in politics as a result.)

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  • It just needs the right person to leads the pack.

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  • The right people are shut out of that opportunity by the sad fact that you get nowhere today unless you have the appropriate credentials, backers and contacts. Which is why grasping, sycophancy and manipulating are mostly all one sees in politics. Not different from anything else. Those who make it big are often placed by those who think they will be useful.

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  • Where is Nigel's hypocrisy in campaigning on behalf of Britain to leave the EU while knowing that this has a real likelihood of jeopardising his EU pension?


    It is an old Labour/leftwing/ultra-socialist concept that is now regaining force (The March Of The Levellers). The mantra is that you can't send your kid to a private fee paying school while promoting State Education, or choose private fee-paying health while promoting the NHS, or Britain's railways while being chauffeured in a limo, and so on


    Do well-off people have to adopt or imitate a sackcloth & ashes lifestyle when campaigning to improve ordinary people's standard of living without being accused of double-standard hypocrisy?


    I wouldn't be at all surprised if Nigel failed to become an MP because he was too expensively attired.

  • Where is Nigel's hypocrisy in campaigning on behalf of Britain to leave the EU while knowing that this has a real likelihood of jeopardising his EU pension?

    But that's the point, he was never jeopardising his EU pension for campaigning for Brexit to begin with. A EU pension is an absolute right to him as a MEP under EU law and probably British law too.


    And although I take your other points about the left wing mantra and all that, this is not really the same thing for the simple reason that no Britain can gleam the benefit of a EU pension in the future because we'll be (hopefully) out of the EU. So, I don't agree with your eduction/health analogy there.


    A Labour MP who campaigns against private schools but then sends their kid to private school, is not preventing the private school from existing. The right for everyone to send their children to private school remains regardless of the Labour MP's campaigns or not.


    By campaigning for Brexit, yet accepting a pension from the EU, Farage is preventing a right that would have been open to other Britons if it were not for his efforts, so thus he is a hypocrite in my view.

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  • In earlier days, before Nigel became a big noise in UKIP, I remember the usual socialist voices calling him a spiv. It's this constant Marxist-driven need to separate the people so as to divide and conquer that causes so much trouble in unifying the people when something like Brexit comes along. They tend to fall back on the old habits of hating everyone in a suit. Or with a degree or a mortgage. Or with any wealth, even if that was gained solely through their own talent and enterprise.


    It's the cultivation over decades of a culture of derision and blame that creates the necessary antagonism to anyone or anything that will unite a nation. I was appalled that it still existed and then gave up in the end because it seems a lost cause. :(

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  • I don't care whether he wears a suit made in Harley Street or not, I do care that on one hand he campaigns against the EU and on the other, will take a pension from them (which he is legally entitled to) but is he morally entitled to it?

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  • I would say not if he has campaigned for Brexit. But that's just me.

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  • I would say not if he has campaigned for Brexit. But that's just me.

    Nigel's chance of getting his EU pension is greatly reduced if Bitain leaves.


    Therefore, in effect, you're saying that a turkey is immoral in voting for Christmas

  • I don't care whether he wears a suit made in Harley Street or not, I do care that on one hand he campaigns against the EU and on the other, will take a pension from them (which he is legally entitled to) but is he morally entitled to it?

    Why??? His entitlement to that pension has nothing whatsoever to do with his belief that the UK would be better off out of the EU........It isn't a question of his entitlement to the pension being a 'moral' one - it is an actual entitlement. One should perhaps applaud him for possibly jeopardising continuation of his 'gravy train' - on the assumption that a longer service as an MEP would produce a higher pension.....albeit, he doesn't really need it.....

  • But he still will be on some of that gravy train, even in standard class as he gets 73k pension from them.

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  • Of course he isn't, he is taking what he has paid into , i hated a previous job but I will take the pension I earned .

  • But he's been more than just a MEP, he's been the figurehead for Brexit.

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  • But he still will be on some of that gravy train, even in standard class as he gets 73k pension from them.

    But as I said, if he stayed even longer, maybe his pension would be even higher....

  • No doubt about it. They're very generous in the EU with other people's money!

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  • Nigel's chance of getting his EU pension is greatly reduced if Bitain leaves.


    Therefore, in effect, you're saying that a turkey is immoral in voting for Christmas

    I don't see that at all. A turkey has no choice and wouldn't vote for Christmas at all, if it had any brains. But a turkey could be made to fee guilty about all the food and shelter given to it by the farmer.That is why so many human turkeys all over the world vote for Christmas.


    I put this issue to Mr Wing who thinks Nigel has every right to his EU pension as he paid for it and it's not a gift, it's his right.


    I waver on the issue of Brexit supporter taking money from hated collective. I do agree that the pension is his right if he paid into it. I am thinking of the image this may create in the public imagination and what a devastating blow to the old guard in the EU it would be if Nigel told them to shove it. (But that's just me.)

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  • I do wonder that if Farage was a Tory would some people be crowing about him being a hypocrite quite so loud.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • If he was Labour ... :D


    I think these things are mostly useful to drag down opposition. No one really cares. They mostly all have a finger or two in a pie or three.

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  • Well yes all politicians are as bad as each other, but supporters of political parties do tend to ignore the hypocrisy of members of the party they support while crowing very loudly about the opposing parties members doing the same.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • It's why I don't like 'em.

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  • I do wonder that if Farage was a Tory would some people be crowing about him being a hypocrite quite so loud.

    It's not about the party he belongs to (BUT his party was UKIP and all about leaving the EU) but the fact that he spearheaded the leave campaign.


    He's been photographed in Brussels bars and in five-star hotels enjoying the "perks" of being a MEP, all paid for by European tax payers, but I do feel this is different.

    Well yes all politicians are as bad as each other, but supporters of political parties do tend to ignore the hypocrisy of members of the party they support while crowing very loudly about the opposing parties members doing the same.

    Indeed. How many people complained in Labour about "dear" Diane, when she sent her son to the City of London private boys school. (I used to work in Queen Victoria St right next to that school, I digress..) Of course Blair got round the "problem" by sending his brats to a charity state school, it just happened to be a very exclusive one.


    I think these things are mostly useful to drag down opposition. No one really cares. They mostly all have a finger or two in a pie or three.

    Like Cameron and Osborne now. It's a question of what bank or Saudi prince do they not work for, as they've pimped themselves to pretty much everyone and making an absolute fortune.

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  • Indeed. How many people complained in Labour about "dear" Diane, when she sent her son to the City of London private boys school. (I used to work in Queen Victoria St right next to that school, I digress..) Of course Blair got round the "problem" by sending his brats to a charity state school, it just happened to be a very exclusive one.

    Indeed, ho hum.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • There are two ways Nigel could jeopardise his EU pension: (1) Not campaigning to leave the EU, instead staying on the gravy train, whereupon the EU goes bust or disintegrated and lacks the funds to pay those pensions (of pay in full). (2) By campaigning to leave the EU, whereupon (a) the EU still goes goes bust or disintegrates and can't meet the pension obligations or (b) the EU finds or concocts a technicality or regulation to penalise his pension rights (eg an MEP campaigning to undermine the EU ). I agree that 2b is a stretch but if you look at the EU rules there will always be something and, if so, what's Nigel going to do, take them EU to court?


    Your last point doesn't make sense and maybe that's my failure to understand. Consider this: Nigel's EU pension was available to every Britain who sought and succeeded in becoming an MEP. Granted, few would have been in a position to exercise that choice but I assume you do not subscribe to levelling down opportunity to the lowest common denominator). Thus, it may be argued that Nigel's EU pension is a return on a personal investment, where the investment is a change of career and livelihood that had an uncertain outcome. Buying shares or property or starting a business or changing jobs or going into politics or betting on the National Lottery is open to anyone. Nigel chose his personal investment, which was to abandon one career in favour of another that in the end didn't take him past the finishing line but at least had the compensation of an EU pension. What is more, having witnessed what the EU was all about, through personal conviction he rocked the EU boat and, in doing so, rocked his own boat. I don't see the hypocrisy jn that. If anything, quite the reverse.

  • By campaigning for Brexit, yet accepting a pension from the EU, Farage is preventing a right that would have been open to other Britons if it were not for his efforts, so thus he is a hypocrite in my view.

    You seem to be suggesting that a turkey who votes against Christmas is a hypocrite

  • He has worked against the nasty goings on and corruption within the EU on behalf of the UK for many years now.. If he is entitled to a pension he should take it. There is nothing hypocritical in that. Well done Mr Farage..