EU agrees to move onto trade talks

Why should the EU be in a hurry? After the Referendum look how long it took us to trigger Article 50? Just one wordy letter where the only point of substance was confirmation that we’re leaving the EU. If our cretinous government can take that long to send a goodbye letter we haven’t a hope in hell of negotiating a successful Brexit.

After another inexplicably long delay we submitted in vague diplomatic gobbledegook the issues we wished to negotiate to maintain an amicable relationship. The EU was getting a better idea of the substance in those issues from British newspapers, albeit with loads of contradictions, that the Government couldn't clarify …… unless anyone thinks our Prime Minister - Madame Tussauds' first living dummy – was shedding light with her stuck auto-chant “we want the best possible deal for Britain”. Has anyone noticed that, even when responding to a journalist’s question between leaving a building and getting into a car, this dummy fashionista is reading a scripted reply prepared by one of her aides? Across the channel in La La Land the EU apparatchiks are praising our Prime Minister’s gutsy persevering political skills and Tory politicians are lapping it up and even the public are vaguely mollified. Doesn’t anyone realise that what the EU might be thinking behind closed doors is that with a dummy like this to negotiate with, they can take Britain to the cleaners?

Each time our Government says what it wants the EU says it’s still not clear what we want. There’s an element of truth in that. Maybe we are dancing to the EU’s tune because we don’t have a tune of our own. It is a deplorable prospect that our Government will negotiate us into no-man’s land purely simply because it can’t string a few clear thoughts or words together – and it’s in our very own language for goodness sake. But it isn’t just our fault; even when we have a brief moment of intelligence and can explain clearly what we want on some specific issue, the EU's response is “no”, “unacceptable”, “come back with a better proposal”. Is there no one in our Government who realises that the EU is jerking us around, pulling our chain? Months ago a British Government of any nous would have said to the EU:

“We seem to be negotiating with ourselves rather than with you. We are not interested in playing a guessing game and putting forward an endless variation of proposals in the ever-diminishing expectation that the EU might find one that could possibly be acceptable. If you are willing to enter into negotiations you must be more constructive and suggest a counter offer or at least indicate what are the specific sticking point in our proposal. It’s your club for goodness sake! If you choose not to do this then we have to conclude that you are taking us for a ride, which means it is best that Britain abandons negotiations and ceases membership on the date agreed, without any agreed trading relationship. We in Britain can devote that remaining time to improving our self-sufficiency and forging import & export trading relationships with the rest of the world. During that period we will determine what is our correct financial obligation upon leaving the EU and will welcome your input. In the event that we cannot agree with the EU we will accept an amount determined by independent non-EU arbitration. In these remaining months we would be delighted if the EU stepped forward with workable proposals for an amicable political and economic relationship of mutual benefit - – our door will always be open, and with a welcome mat - but, if Canada is a case-history example, we cannot and shall not be holding our breath".

I'm seeing this with an air of are we supposed to be grateful, maybe the bribe we had to offer them is to account for that.

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70% of MPs want to stay in the EU, so for them to do it on our behalf, perhaps they do think we should be gratful to them for doing something they don't want to.

Something they don't want to do like serve the people who put them there and pay them for instance, rather than just serving themselves like they usually do, yes I can see how that would be such a bind for them.

Barnier has spouted off that the financial sector will not included as a special case in future trade talks , let's see how our PM spins this into something we should applaud , i really hope the Brexiteers balls drop soon and they start the fight back .

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We've given in on the money, so of course the EU are in a bullish mood, its all going their way.

Of course that's true, but the other countries, especially Germany, is ready to provide more money, while the east-countries(Poland and Hungary) stated, that they don't want to give more money.

Personally, I think, we actually gone too early into this phase, because we still do not know how we handle that (possibly) new EU border in Ireland and Northern Ireland.

Actually, in the first place, we wanted to strictly divide the phases into two:

1. What's going on when Great Britian leaves the EU?
2. The (corporate) future, where Great Britian still wants to pick the cherries and thus still wants the access to the single market.

(fyi, German television is making fun of the government, because a study has shown that, in a survey, Britians now want to stay in the EU)

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(fyi, German television is making fun of the government, because a study has shown that, in a survey, Britians now want to stay in the EU)

Yeah the remoaner propaganda machine does churn out some fantasy survey results to try and support it's lost cause, all you can do is laugh at them certainly best to not take them seriously..

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Yeah the remoaner propaganda machine does churn out some fantasy survey results to try and support it's lost cause, all you can do is laugh at them certainly best to not take them seriously..

Ah, A study eh?, let's see if all the other pro Brexit surveys are reported on .