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    I can't remember the last time we went into the town centre, for all the reasons you mention Nigel and add the chuggers in as well. Closest we get is the Lidl store on Saturday morning.


    There's just nothing special about the High Street for us. Those like Mary Portas who are trying to revive the old traditional version of the town centre are on a hiding to nothing IMHO.


    As for the next store chain in trouble, I'd look at the department store model: Trying to be eveything to everybody often ends up being nothing special for anybody.

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    Stores must take on board the shopping experience in the UK nowadays , crowded streets, crowded roads , expensive parking , over officious Nazis doing their best to fine you , all this adds up to making the internet and home delivery such a better proposition for many , myself included.

    If people are happy with the so called demonstrations in stores by an 18 year old then they buy something tech ,deserve all they get.

    I don't know if you ever saw my comments about my trip to Currys last year, but I fully agree with your comments about spotty teenagers who don't know what they're talking about.


    We do still need some shops, as you can't feel (yet) what you're buying on the internet, but as someone who hates crowds, a lot off my shopping is done online too.


    chuggers in as well.

    What's a chugger, Heero? New one on me.

    As for the next store chain in trouble, I'd look at the department store model: Trying to be eveything to everybody often ends up being nothing special for anybody.

    But could that be Amazon's fate?? They do everything, but master of nothing.

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    What's a chugger, Heero? New one on me.

    Charity mugger.


    Urban dictionary defn.



    But could that be Amazon's fate?? They do everything, but master of nothing.

    Price. ;)

  • Are they cheaper though? The last time I ordered some books, other online stores were cheaper by some margin.


    I haven't ordered anything from Amazon in ages, so I will check their prices when I do.

    They aren't cheaper but they are usually quicker. I boycotted them years ago after being a regular customer; there was a tiniest loss of convenience it was probably for the better financially. Plus I can look down at people who moan about working practices and tax evasion but keep shopping with them! ^^


    I think it is brand allegiance that is in their favour. No matter how many bad stories people read about them for some reason they make zero effort to go elsewhere. If they keep up the PR campaign Amazon will be around for a long time. It's certainly worked for Apple!

  • But could that be Amazon's fate?? They do everything, but master of nothing.

    I'm happy with Amazon, I like their video streaming service which also entitles me to next day delivery on a lot of items as a bonus.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

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    I am starting to tire with Amazon. Their delivery is excellent, no doubt about that. If I order early enough, I can get some things delivered the same day and that's even before their drones start and I get Sunday delivery too, but I don't think their streaming service is very good though.


    Amazon have admitted that their Amazon prime sub they want to make as critical in people's lives as a subscription to their mobile phone and they want to link so many different things in together with, that it becomes unfathomable to cancel it. I'm thinking of cancelling it.

  • I am starting to tire with Amazon. Their delivery is excellent, no doubt about that. If I order early enough, I can get some things delivered the same day and that's even before their drones start and I get Sunday delivery too, but I don't think their streaming service is very good though.


    Amazon have admitted that their Amazon prime sub they want to make as critical in people's lives as a subscription to their mobile phone and they want to link so many different things in together with, that it becomes unfathomable to cancel it. I'm thinking of cancelling it.

    Yes my daughter has the streaming service, it's the only one we use that keeps dropping out. Netflix and Sky Movies are far superior. It doesn't have much on it we want anyway.

  • I can honestly say I have never had a problem with Amazon video streaming service works perfectly every time, yet Netflix I have, such as while watching the app on my Samsung Smart TV will just close randomly without warning, admittedly it is on a wifi connection but Netflix is the only thing it does it on, all the other apps work perfectly so I don't think it being wifi has anything to do with it.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

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    Department store chain House of Fraser is to close 31 of its 59 shops, affecting 6,000 jobs, as part of a rescue deal.

    If the plan is approved, 2,000 House of Fraser jobs will go, along with 4,000 brand and concession roles.

    The stores scheduled for closure, which include its flagship London Oxford Street store, will stay open until early 2019, House of Fraser said.

    Poundworld is poised to announce its intention to appoint administrators.

    The move will allow the company 10 days to two weeks to continue talks with potential buyers without the company's creditors being able to make a claim on the business.

    It also allows its staff and suppliers to continue to be paid.

    It is understood that investment company R Capital is in talks to try to buy Poundworld, which has 5,300 workers and 355 stores.

    I don't know if there's a Poundworld in my area or not, but to my knowledge I have never been in one of their stores. I also cannot remember the last time I went into a House of Frazer store, it was probably at least a few decades ago.


    I think with HoF's Oxford Street earmarked for closure, in my opinion this signals that HoF is finished. If they cannot make a profit out of their huge flagship shop with the massive footfall that Oxford Street gets, I don't see how they will continue to survive with a smaller portfolio of shops.


    Will our high streets die off and allow Amazon and the supermarkets to rule supreme, or is this merely a correction and the weaker retailers are getting withering so that the stronger ones can survive.


    I still miss Woolworths, not that I went into their stores much.

  • You talk as if we had nothing to do with it...! There was a time when the big chains were the evil ones driving independent shops out of business. Now they've had their time. I've no problem with technology moving shopping on but unlike most fellow Brits I don't support their tax dodging.

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    I think the car is one of the biggest factors too, so yes, we have a lot to do with it.


    You can park in large supermarkets or shopping centres, you can't park in an average high street and certainly not for free.

  • I think the car is one of the biggest factors too, so yes, we have a lot to do with it.


    You can park in large supermarkets or shopping centres, you can't park in an average high street and certainly not for free.

    Absolutely. We have one small high street near me with a car park which is great but they keep putting up charges. Stupid...

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    I suppose one radical solution to the dying high street would be to level them and start again with areas for parking, in effect create out-of-town shopping centres right in the middle of our towns and cities.

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    Increasing losses means the plan's not working.

  • So many reasons why high street retailing is in decline .


    Easier.cheaper/free parking would help but there is no point offering consumer facilitation if there is no motivation.


    Surely the motivation is stimulation, inspiration, originality, pleasantness, helpfulness and efficiency , where the extra cost of these qualitative attributes is not excessively greater than the bleak brave new world utility of on-line purchasing.


    Against that set of criteria, places like Debenhams, M&S, House of Fraser, Maplins, Mothercare, Homebase, Toys 'R Us, Currys/Dixons, etc etc have a diminishing reason for being on the high street and in many instances are a cause for boredom, frustration and a sense of futility.


    Commercial acumen requires looking beyond a bandwagon that might grind to a halt. It's called vision. It didn't require a lot of smarts to realise that the average high street was becoming one long groundhog day of samey chain stores. The only way for the high street to survive is to reach the sought-after parts that on-line can't touch. By pursuing that fundamental objective, high streets could survive by reinventing themselves

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    I can't remember if I provided a link to the article or not, but something I read about Mothercare that was interesting. Basically, that for such a specialist store that if the store experience was like you say it should be Rob, then that store would probably survive. Putting spotty teenagers in there as staff who don't know or care what the best pushchair is, is totally useless. If an environment was created to give help, support and inspiration to new parents, Mothercare could survive.

    Increasing losses means the plan's not working.

    Ever been a Poundworld Heero?

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    Ever been a Poundworld Heero?

    I don't think we have one in town. Though to be fair I haven't gone down the main shopping precinct for a good while.


    I've been in the pound stretcher in Penzance when I stayed down there. IIRC I bought a set of in-ear headphones for the laptop.

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    Although this is the high street death thread, your post just reminds me just how many shops there still are knocking about. Even with Poundworld going, there are still several, depending on how you classify them, discount shops around.


    I've been in a Poundland, but not Poundworld and I'm not sure if I have a Pound stretcher in my area or not.

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