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    This was my result.


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  • I chose all subjects, and mine came out 93.3% Brexit Party, 6.7% Conservative.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • The problem being that the Brexit Party will be a wasted vote. They will win zero seats just like UKIP did. They just sucked Tory votes away. I like Farage but he needs to pull the BP to solidify the Brexit vote with a party that can actually win. I am a “no deal” fan but it won’t happen, so a pragmatic approach is required. Get a solid majority Tory government and let the ERG do the rest. That’s the best we can hope for.

  • Don't be so pessimistic. UKIP never gained any MP's, but the large number of votes did get us the referendum and influenced government policy. The same could happen with the Brexit Party, or even better, gain some MP's.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • UKIP got us a referendum. That alone was a great achievement and made their existence worthwhile.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • The establishment destroyed UKIP (plus a few insiders).

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • UKIP had a number of unsavoury nutters in it’s midst which were ignored for the purpose of getting a referendum but couldn’t be ignored for a prospective government.

  • Farage was on GMB yesterday looking every inch a busted man

    Perhaps he will reappear after this election with yet another political party, English Independence Party perhaps

    Don't be so pessimistic. UKIP never gained any MP's, but the large number of votes did get us the referendum and influenced government policy. The same could happen with the Brexit Party, or even better, gain some MP's.

    The referendum was nothing to do with Farage but more the growth of the hard right in the Tory party, elbowing sensible centrists like Clarke and Hesstine out

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  • UKIP was a typical protest group that ran it's course except it provided Farage with a nice little earner and his fifteen minutes of TV fame

    His Brexit lot will go the same way

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  • The referendum was nothing to do with Farage but more the growth of the hard right in the Tory party, elbowing sensible centrists like Clarke and Hesstine out

    Woah there, steady up. Do you really mean "The Hard Right" ?


    The problem here is that all things are relative and perhaps from where you are standing the Conservative ERG are indeed hard right but from where I'm standing they are to the right of a fairly centrist and moderate Conservative government as lead by Boris Johnson. I think the real Hard Right would scare you, I don't think you have a clue what Hard Right looks like - perhaps some of those mean looking dudes on the German right with the skinheads might be getting into the zone, you wouldn't want to cross them. But there are definitely zero far right members of the Conservative government or back benchers.


    Clark and Heseltine were always on the very furthest left limits of Conservative thinking, thats why Heseltine fell out with Maggie. Ken was actually a good Chancellor but he was always a Europhile so a bit of a maverick and lone voice. Neither of them could be called centrists though, they were very much left of centre by Tory standards.

  • The referendum was nothing to do with Farage but more the growth of the hard right in the Tory party, elbowing sensible centrists like Clarke and Hesstine out

    Hard right? It's difficult to distinguish the centrists from the lefties in the Tory party, these days!


    It was definitely the millions of votes for UKIP that got us the referendum.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • Woah there, steady up. Do you really mean "The Hard Right" ?


    The problem here is that all things are relative and perhaps from where you are standing the Conservative ERG are indeed hard right but from where I'm standing they are to the right of a fairly centrist and moderate Conservative government as lead by Boris Johnson. I think the real Hard Right would scare you, I don't think you have a clue what Hard Right looks like - perhaps some of those mean looking dudes on the German right with the skinheads might be getting into the zone, you wouldn't want to cross them. But there are definitely zero far right members of the Conservative government or back benchers.


    Clark and Heseltine were always on the very furthest left limits of Conservative thinking, thats why Heseltine fell out with Maggie. Ken was actually a good Chancellor but he was always a Europhile so a bit of a maverick and lone voice. Neither of them could be called centrists though, they were very much left of centre by Tory standards.

    I do indeed mean the hard right who are currently running the Tory party. You only have to look at them to see what I mean

    The seed were sown under Thatcher and have grown to strangle the others leaving no place for the centrists

    Johnson may pay the affable fool but he doesn't fool me, his past record speaks for itself

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  • UKIP was the opposition with the best politician in the UK for the past 25 years - Gerard Batten, he was truly spanking all who debated with him and was fast boosting the UKIP membership, he had to be shut down by the Establishment and the Establishment had its plants inside UKIP - Kirsten Herriot, UKIP Chair and others on the NEC.

  • I do indeed mean the hard right who are currently running the Tory party. You only have to look at them to see what I mean

    The seed were sown under Thatcher and have grown to strangle the others leaving no place for the centrists

    Johnson may pay the affable fool but he doesn't fool me, his past record speaks for itself

    So you were a fan of Ted Heath who mislead the UK into joining the common market in full knowledge of what it was to become. I can see why you would think the current Conservatives were far right. At least you have an opinion based on you own observations, so I say live and let live, we will have to agree to disagree.


    The events leading up to October 31st needed all hands to get it through. As you know this was when the rebels plotted with the opposition to pass the Benn Act which would have seen Boris in prison for defying it. This was followed by the ridiculous denying of a general election and threats about a new progressive alliance anti Brexit government. Under the circumstances it is hardly surprising these rebels were strangled as you put it. I wonder what Ted would’ve done?


    As for Boris Johnson not fooling you, what do you think his past record tells you about the future? I bet you’re going to say he will sell the NHS to the Americans....

  • So you were a fan of Ted Heath who mislead the UK into joining the common market in full knowledge of what it was to become. I can see why you would think the current Conservatives were far right. At least you have an opinion based on you own observations, so I say live and let live, we will have to agree to disagree.


    The events leading up to October 31st needed all hands to get it through. As you know this was when the rebels plotted with the opposition to pass the Benn Act which would have seen Boris in prison for defying it. This was followed by the ridiculous denying of a general election and threats about a new progressive alliance anti Brexit government. Under the circumstances it is hardly surprising these rebels were strangled as you put it. I wonder what Ted would’ve done?


    As for Boris Johnson not fooling you, what do you think his past record tells you about the future? I bet you’re going to say he will sell the NHS to the Americans....

    No. I don't think there ever was a suggestion of selling the NHS to the USA. This has now been shown to be a Russian interference in our election

    I refer to his past comments about various issues, and his racism

    Ted would never have allowed the party to get to this state. John Major tried to lance the boil and deal with his "bastards" by just calling a general election. His mistake was not to follow that up and expel the Eurosceptics from the party

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  • No. I don't think there ever was a suggestion of selling the NHS to the USA. This has now been shown to be a Russian interference in our election

    I refer to his past comments about various issues, and his racism

    Ted would never have allowed the party to get to this state. John Major tried to lance the boil and deal with his "bastards" by just calling a general election. His mistake was not to follow that up and expel the Eurosceptics from the party

    Was the London Bridge attack last Friday racism, hate or terrorism? It was against white people so I’m confused as to which category it falls in to. The media and police seem to think it’s terror but if the roles had been reversed they would have said it was racism and hate, tell me I’m wrong.


    Do you think it racist for Boris to make childish observations if this is what you are referring to? Personally I think his comments satisfy the law related to hate crime but it definitely wasn’t racist. At the very least it was a non crime hate incident.


    I guess that shows how absurd the law can be these days especially as he wasn’t cautioned. If you are that concerned why don’t you report it?


    John Major was the architect of our current Brexit issue. He went off piste about the Maastricht treaty. We should’ve had a referendum then but didn’t get one. It would’ve been a resounding no vote so his bastards set about him quite rightly. Democracy cannot be denied.

  • "Hate Crime" - this enshrined in law, is the scourge of modern times. Only UKIP has a manifesto pledge to dump it... its a shame UKIP has imploded.

  • "Hate Crime" - this enshrined in law, is the scourge of modern times. Only UKIP has a manifesto pledge to dump it... its a shame UKIP has imploded.

    UKIP the architect of "Hate crime" and racism (hurriedly denied of course once they were exposed)

    They have promoted division from the start and caused more problems in the UK than any other lunatic fringe party

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  • UKIP the architect of "Hate crime" and racism (hurriedly denied of course once they were exposed)

    They have promoted division from the start and caused more problems in the UK than any other lunatic fringe party

    Again you literally have no idea on the comments you make. As with Tommy Robinson you will not show one single bit of evidence that UKIP is as you accuse. Not one bit. This is a common response from and is so pathetic it seems deliberate. It comes across as if you are not a serious Forum user who wants to discuss subjects.

    In fact your attitude is common.

    It is very common on forums for a clique of users to pat each other on the back or keep posting as long as an opposing argument does not appear. You/they do not want a discussion because as soon as there is proper argument and challenges you/they do one of 2 things: (1) dish out insults. (or back off from debate because they are only happy when someone says - "well done, well said, you are so right"...

  • Again you literally have no idea on the comments you make. As with Tommy Robinson you will not show one single bit of evidence that UKIP is as you accuse. Not one bit. This is a common response from and is so pathetic it seems deliberate. It comes across as if you are not a serious Forum user who wants to discuss subjects.

    In fact your attitude is common.

    It is very common on forums for a clique of users to pat each other on the back or keep posting as long as an opposing argument does not appear. You/they do not want a discussion because as soon as there is proper argument and challenges you/they do one of 2 things: (1) dish our insults. (or back off from debate because they are only happy when someone says - "well done, well said, you are so right"...

    I don't need to prevent evidence, free thinking people can see it for themselves. It is self evident

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  • If that was so why is it people make claims and when asked to back up said claims they never ever do it?

    Example: Tommy Robinson and the EDL.. all you get is - "he is racist he is fascist" etc etc the fact is he is not. I have shown absolute facts, indisputable facts he is not and instead of saying "OK I see the argument" the people who do not like him, do not know why they dislike him. They do not have the humility to admit .. "hey I did not know the facts so I will change my thinking on this matter"?

    How the fuff can a person call another person a "racist" - "a fascist" - "a Nazi" etc etc and not show one bit of evidence?? I know why... its because they fall for the MSM shite. They do not want to know the facts because the facts will shift their sheeplike approach to knowledge.

    I despise Corbyn but I always defend him when ideologues invent crap about him. The truth is all that matters to me. I dont care what party, what nationality, what religion, what gender a person is or has.. just dont lie and dont fool yourself and dont expect others to agree with your lies and bullshit.

  • If that was so why is it people make claims and when asked to back up said claims they never ever do it?

    Example: Tommy Robinson and the EDL.. all you get is - "he is racist he is fascist" etc etc the fact is he is not. I have shown absolute facts, indisputable facts he is not and instead of saying "OK I see the argument" the people who do not like him, do not know why they dislike him. They do not have the humility to admit .. "hey I did not know the facts so I will change my thinking on this matter"?

    How the fuff can a person call another person a "racist" - "a fascist" - "a Nazi" etc etc and not show one bit of evidence?? I know why... its because they fall for the MSM shite. They do not want to know the facts because the facts will shift their sheeplike approach to knowledge.

    I despise Corbyn but I always defend him when ideologues invent crap about him. The truth is all that matters to me. I dont care what party, what nationality, what religion, what gender a person is or has.. just dont lie and dont fool yourself and dont expect others to agree with your lies and bullshit.

    what you are describing is the NPC mindset.


    Orange man bad...:/

  • what you are describing is the NPC mindset.


    Orange man bad...:/

    Yes. Not enough critical thinking with the essence of truth to render them genuine and therefore worthy of listening to. It is actually defamatory to call a person a "racist" (if not true) but apparently it is OK as long as its the leftie liberals banding out the crap.

  • I think it is important to be careful what you say and how you say it. With the left and right you are dealing with two very different animals. The left are driven by emotion, feelings and compassion and the right are driven by facts and pragmatism. It’s like putting two different chemicals down the toilet. You create a noxious gas.

  • I agree but I do not have a problem with your genuine Labour party supporter who just happens to be left of centre or left of me which is why I always say .. "leftie liberal post modernist" this sector is a serious problem. They operate on ideology and have no desire or perception to enable themselves to consider evidence or facts on any subject. This is the example explaining this:

    "You are a vegetarian - Hitler is a vegetarian - therefore YOU MUST be a Nazi"!!!!!! Thats it, thats enough for their argument.

  • If that was so why is it people make claims and when asked to back up said claims they never ever do it?

    Example: Tommy Robinson and the EDL.. all you get is - "he is racist he is fascist" etc etc the fact is he is not. I have shown absolute facts, indisputable facts he is not and instead of saying "OK I see the argument" the people who do not like him, do not know why they dislike him. They do not have the humility to admit .. "hey I did not know the facts so I will change my thinking on this matter"?

    How the fuff can a person call another person a "racist" - "a fascist" - "a Nazi" etc etc and not show one bit of evidence?? I know why... its because they fall for the MSM shite. They do not want to know the facts because the facts will shift their sheeplike approach to knowledge.

    I despise Corbyn but I always defend him when ideologues invent crap about him. The truth is all that matters to me. I dont care what party, what nationality, what religion, what gender a person is or has.. just dont lie and dont fool yourself and dont expect others to agree with your lies and bullshit.

    I have made claims about the loathsome Robinson/Yaxley whatever he calls himself today, and yo justify those claims I have asked you to tell us how many non white people belong to the EDL

    So far no answer, the same answer would be the same number of negroes who belong to the Klan

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