Local Elections 2018 - Will the government get punished?

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  • Who will you vote for in the local elections? 4

    1. Conservatives (3) 75%
    2. Labour (0) 0%
    3. Lib Dems (0) 0%
    4. UKIP (1) 25%
    5. Greenies (0) 0%
    6. Other (0) 0%
    7. My area is not having elections (0) 0%
    8. Don't care about elections (0) 0%

    In light of Amber Rudd's resignation and continual cabinet squabbles over Brexit, will this harm the Conservatives chances at the local elections?


    Is your area having elections? Mine is.


    A few background articles from the Beeb:


    What to look out for in May's local elections

    How can you tell who's won the local elections?

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  • I would probably vote UKIP but there is no candidate for my local area, so probably won't bother voting.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • Voting tactically for the Tory to keep the Libdem out. Last time the Libdems got control of our council they signed a disasterous contract with NCP to run the carparks in the town and hoisted the charges up so much it almost killed the town centre.


    If tactical wasn't needed I'd go for UKIP.

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  • I understand the sympathy for UKIP, but fellas, did you not see the last few posts in this thread?: New UKIP Leader. Henry who??


    UKIP are not a viable party anymore, unless Farage comes back and sprinkles magic dust over it. If UKIP do revive under Farage or sort themselves out, then I might in the future vote for them in the national elections, but never local ones.


    Tactical voting is a good idea locally, if you want to keep someone out.


    I utterly hate my local council, but having a Labour led one would be even worse, so I'll stick to the conservatives for now.

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  • Fortunately Labour would never get in here. It's all white collar or pensioners apart from the hospitality segment. No flat caps, pigeon fanciers or whippets.^^


    Both main parties are in full self destruct mode so the results are far from perdictable.

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  • Both main parties are in full self destruct mode so the results are far from perdictable.

    If UKIP were in a strong position now, they would be a serious contender and of course the Lib Dems never recovered from their meltdown, so its only the main parties, but as you say they are in full self destruct mode. Perhaps its time for new parties and new ideas.

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  • There is no choice but to vote tactically. That's the main problem with FPTP. Politics in the UK is dire, and it's a case of voting for the least worst, rather than the best, as they are all pretty crap.


    New parties don't really stand a chance under FPTP. Only Labour or the Conservatives stand a chance of forming government, although local elections are often used 'to teach them a lesson' by voters.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • Perhaps we should just go down the American route, Fidget, and formalise the process by just having two parties???

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  • Perhaps we should just go down the American route, Fidget, and formalise the process by just having two parties???

    No thanks. :rolleyes:

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • Perhaps we should just go down the American route, Fidget, and formalise the process by just having two parties???

    No. That would make a bad situation worse.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • There was me thinking that a two party situation was a good idea.;)^^

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  • Horizon, it appears to work in the USA, where they vote for a President rather than an MP or party. Trump wasn't popular in either party. The people voted for Trump, not a political party.


    Just look at how we got our referendum. UKIP gained such popularity that they virtually forced the EU referendum, even though they had no significant presence in Parliament. Take that away, and we really will be at the mercy of arrogant politicians who club together (regardless of party) because they 'know what is best for us'!

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • I made mention of electoral reform in another thread, so I'll ponder this some more at some point and perhaps create a new thread about it. The current system simply does not work, in my opinion.

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  • What will people punish the Tories for?, we have record employment but as Brexit hasn't happened yet and windrush is not the Tories fault but successive governments for over 50 years, why punish them now ?, if it all goes down the toilet then by all means , I will join them!

  • I agree, but the media is on a roll now with Rudd's resignation and the Labour anti-semitism scandal has been completely forgotten it seems.

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  • Voted earlier today but as I live near a school which contained the polling station for my area, I did notice a lower footfall than usual. I wonder if this be replicated elsewhere??

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  • We voted first thing but the station was empty apart from a couple of supporters recording the voters.


    By all accounts the Tory's have weathered these elections quite well after being in effective power for ten years. Normally the incumbent government party gets hammered.

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  • Just couldn't be bothered to vote, none of the candidates bothered campaigning, they have to make the effort if they want my vote. :rolleyes:

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • Well, that's your choice Ron, but then you can't complain about your local services, if you're not even prepared to vote.


    Labour and the Conservatives have both lost control of key councils in local elections across England.

    Labour failed to take several targets from the Tories, including Wandsworth in London, but won back Plymouth and became the largest party in Trafford.

    The Tories won Barnet and gained from a collapse in UKIP's vote, celebrating wins in Basildon and Peterborough.

    The Lib Dems regained control of Richmond, in London, from the Tories and gained seats elsewhere.

    By all accounts the Tory's have weathered these elections quite well after being in effective power for ten years. Normally the incumbent government party gets hammered.

    May is not popular, but unless this country has some kind of mass seizure or something, there is no way Corbyn will gain mass support from Middle England. No doubt the Conservatives will be reasonably happy with the result this morning.


    UKIP were very strong in some areas in Essex near me, but they have now been completed wiped out with the Conservatives regaining most of the seats. This is the end of UKIP now, they won't come back.


    This is something the non-Corbyn wing of the Labour party feared. They know Corbyn is not electable and this is further prove off that. I wonder if they may try and get rid of him, but Momentum in turn are plotting to get rid of them and completely turn the party into a hard left one. With Brexit "issues" to deal with, May would welcome a nice civil war in Labour right now.

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  • Well, that's your choice Ron, but then you can't complain about your local services, if you're not even prepared to vote.

    I have as much right to complain as the next person whether I vote or not, I'm sorry but that bollocks does not wash with me , I still pay my council tax after all said and done so that entitles me to make a complaint if I so wish. :P

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • Absolutely right. That's me told off!8)

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  • This is the end of UKIP now, they won't come back.

    Mmm. Only IF we get a deal that see's us effectively leaving the EU. It there's some half in - half out fudge I can see them rising again to force the completion of the job.


    May would welcome a nice civil war in Labour right now.

    If these election results embolden Momentum that's almost a certainty.


    Traditional Labour supportes must be appalled.

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  • Ukip need to continue as at the next election millions will boycott the Tories and Labour if they screw us over on Brexit, i certainly will.

  • BUt there has to be a UKIP to vote for though. They've almost gone now.


    I'm sure Farage will come up with something, if this present government screws us over Brexit, as you phrase it.

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  • There wasn't a UKIP candidate in our area, else I would have voted for them.


    FPTP is not helpful to small, or new, political parties. The electoral system is biased against them. I hope we never return to only having a choice of pro-EU parties, and no alternatives.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • We'll find out very soon how pro-European the conservatives really are if they don't come up with the goods over Brexit.


    No UKIP candidate in my area. I'm not a million miles away from Basildon and Thurrock where they are got totally wiped out.

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  • I live in a Labour stronghold. I am sympathetic, because, as an ex-mining town, the Conservatives and Thatcher destroyed our community and all the surrounding ones and left us to rot.


    I just think that Labour would be even worse for the future of our country.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • And that fact must be on the minds of Labour MPs right now at their relatively poor results at the local elections. Labour should've increased their vote massively as the Conservatives have been in power for so long, but they haven't.


    We currently have a choice between bad (May) and terrible (Corbyn), surely there must be someone decent out there?

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  • We currently have a choice between bad (May) and terrible (Corbyn), surely there must be someone decent out there?

    The media seem to think Javid wants to be the next Tory leader.


    The problem is the whole political pond has become stagnant, none of the parties seem to have anyone who could be considered good PM material, and quite frankly we only really have the Tories or Labour to choose from as none of the other parties are strong enough and will only ever serve as kingmakers if we end up with a hung parliament with no clear majority under the present system.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.