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  • You have learned nothing at all about Brexiteers, Jenny, because you are not listening. You just keep ranting about the same thing, ignoring completely the democratic wish of the people.

    It’s far too early to judge the success or otherwise of Brexit. You pounce on the transitional difficulties as ‘evidence’ that Brexit was a mistake despite the fact that Brexiteers themselves warned of initial problems.

    The future for the UK would have been infinitely worse had Jeremy Corbyn got into office. He would have gone for staying in the single market but outside the EU decision making process, so the worst of all worlds.

    Brexiters warned of initial problems, eh...?? :D:D:D:D:D:D

    Paul Nuttal: "It will be so easy to negotiate a trade deal, and of course, it's in the European Union's interest, just as it is in ours"

    Former UKIP leader Paul Nuttall told BBC Radio 4 programme in January 2017 that negotiations will be easy. Of course, this was before Article 50 was triggered before we knew negotiations were doomed to a snail-like pace.

    Gerard Batten "A trade deal with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of coffee"

    If anyone out there is on the lookout for the most hyperbolic prediction of all time, there are worse places to start than another former UKIP leader Gerard Batten's, who have the aforementioned comments on trade relations with the EU in February 2017.

    Rather than getting sorted during a chit-chat over coffee, negotiations were moving so slowly that EU President Donald Tusk warned that they almost completely collapsed in 2017.

    Douglas Carswell: "I think this free trade will be relatively straightforward between the UK and America"

    Brexiteer and former UKIP MP Douglas Carswell, said at the Institute for Government in April 2017 that setting up trade deals with the US would be seamless:

    "I think free trade would be relatively straightforward between UK and America. If it's legal to buy and sell a product in California, it should be legal to buy and sell it in Clacton."

    When asked if that included lethal automatic weapons he quickly changed the subject.


    Boris Johnson said: "There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal"

    Johnson there, with his characteristic bluster in July 2017. This is despite David Davis telling Andrew Marr that: “we have been planning for the contingencies, all the various outcomes, all the possible outcomes of the negotiation".


    Liam Fox: "The free trade agreement that we will do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history"

    The biggest whopper of them all is from international trade secretary Liam Fox. Speaking to BBC Radio 4 he said:

    "The free trade agreement that we will do with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history. We are already beginning with zero tariffs, and we are already beginning at the point of maximal regulatory equivalence, as it is called. In other words, our rules and our laws are exactly the same."

    Which begged the question that, if our rules and laws were exactly the same, what, exactly, were we supposed to be "Taking back control" of..? Again, the subject was quickly changed.


    Jacob Rees-Mogg: "The UK will be a better destination for investors once we have left the EU"


    There are literally hundreds of quotes from Jacob Rees-Mogg that I could include in here but his constant claims about the UK's prosperity after Brexit is a real sticking point. In February 2019 he twice claimed that the UK and London will be flooded with investors looking to plunge their money into this newly rejuvenated post-Brexit economy. In 2021, they aren't. Actually, they're relocating to Amsterdam.

    The problem here is that Rees-Mogg, himself isn't investing in the UK, and has his own investment firm, Somerset Capital Management, which has a set up in Dublin, where it can benefit the EU laws and regulations.

    There's confidence in Britain for you...!!

    Michael Gove said that 'we'll hold all the cards' after leaving the European Union

    This one actually goes back to before the referendum and is from April 2016, when Michael Gove and the Vote Leave campaign were trying to whip up support for Brexit. At the time he said:

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    "The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want. It's also important to realise that while we calmly take our time to change the law, the one thing that will not change is our ability to trade freely with Europe. The In campaign often argues is that we would find it impossible to reach a trading agreement with the EU nations after we vote leave. There are, of course, some questions up for negotiation which will occupy out highly skilled foreign office civil servants, resolving them full and properly won't be any more complicated or onerous than the day-to-day work that they undertake now."

    Given everything that has happened since Gove said this and all the evidence pointing towards 'the UK not holding any cards at all, the Tory minister was asked by Andrew Marr if he regretted saying that. Predictably, he didn't.


    So............ plenty of warnings from Brexiters there, that things wouldn't be easy, eh..? Not.

    I can almost admire you for the sheer chutzpah of your ability to filter out anything said by any Brexiter that has since been proved to be stupid, ridiculous, hubristic or just plain, downright lying.

    You make up your own version of events from the dreamworld that you live in. "Of course we said it wouldn't be easy." Only, you didn't.

    Instead, you lied, twisted and distorted so easily and convincingly to yourselves that you don't know where dishonesty ends and downright fantasy begins.

    I've just listed around a dozen or so quotations that are widely in the public domain. I've not made any of them up. They have become famous for their sheer crassness and falsehood.......... and yet, I doubt you've even read them and by the time you have got to this line of my message, you have already eliminated them from your memory.

    Sigmund Freud............. where are you when we need you the most...?

  • The population of the UK, both Labour and Conservative voters, voted to get shot of the corrupt and failing EU experiment. That's democracy in action.. You will always get the Odd Person who doesn't believe in the the peoples voting rights, or that they should be allowed a vote at all..... This is the communist way of thinking, which was also rejected by the electorate when they rejected Corbyn and his Corbynistas at the last General election.

    The only people who want Britain to fail are those to the Left of Corbyn, To them, everybody to the right of Corbyn is the Far Right..

    The Voice of Reason

  • All you've shown is what a bunch of are we allowed to swear on here are the EU. Look at them now, still trying to show how good they are by condemning others, even Hungary have a "we want to leave movement" forming.

  • I'm sure its no coincidence that the UK that is no longer in the EU has managed to be well ahead of the countries that are in the EU in vaccinating its citizens against covid. :/

  • I'm sure its no coincidence that the UK that is no longer in the EU has managed to be well ahead of the countries that are in the EU in vaccinating its citizens against covid. :/

    It's no coincidence because the two things are entirely unconnected.

    I've covered this point several times in several places in response to several others. I guess it was always clear that you'd pop up with the same false comparison at some point.

    At no point in time was any possibility of a global (note the word: "Global", as distinct from "Regional") pandemic ever a factor in negotiations. Had it been, then arrangements for the distribution of vaccines would have been included in the agreement signed on Christmas Eve 2020. But it wasn't. So there was nothing to sign off on.

    And as I've pointed out elsewhere, the EU has to procure a quantity of vaccine to provide for a population of around 500'000'000 people rather than UK, which has to vaccinate significantly fewer people (65 million give or take).

    Also, as pointed out elsewhere (where you clearly haven't looked), UK has so far vaccinated around 36 million people. The EU has, as of 16 March, vaccinated 46.8 million.......... and that in light of the fact that their procurement has been affected........ through no fault of their own........ by AstraZenica failing to fulfil their contractual obligations.

    It isn't inefficiency that has made the EU lag behind.....it's sheer logistics.

    Your eagerness to find something to call a "Brexit success" leads you to make false claims based on non-Brexit related issues.

    This is just a sign of how desperate Brexiters are getting to have something ............. ANYTHING........ you can cling to.

    Yep...... Britain has done well at Vaccine Nationalism. It's the sort of thing extrem-right nationalists would celebrate. OK.... that's up to you.

    But it's got nothing to do with Brexit. Which is failing to deliver on any of its core promises.

  • What it shows, Jenny, is that we can operate with more agility not being part of the EU. I don’t think anyone is claiming our success with the vaccination programme is directly related to Brexit, but it is certainly a demonstration of the EU’s slow and bureaucratic approach compared with what we can do on our own.

  • It's fair to say the EU have cocked it up big time when it comes to the rollout of vaccinations.

    What with the third wave of covid infections within EU countries turning Europe into the plague continent, the UK has to be very wary and ensure proper precautions are taken with visitors from mainland Europe.

  • It's fair to say the EU have cocked it up big time when it comes to the rollout of vaccinations.

    What with the third wave of covid infections within EU countries turning Europe into the plague continent, the UK has to be very wary and ensure proper precautions are taken with visitors from mainland Europe.

    Just as worrying is the return of Brits from holidays abroad.

  • Does anyone still think that the EU is one of our friends in the world? They seem to be doing everything they can to make life difficult for us. Take a look at this.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/2…-downton-abbey/

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    The European Commission has been asked to carry out an impact study on the risk of British cultural imperialism, in possible first step towards tough rules banning UK shows from screens.

    British dominance on TV and streaming services, thanks to hit shows such as The Crown and Downton Abbey, was described as a threat to Europe’s “cultural diversity” in a leaked EU document.


    The commission impact study could be a first step towards regulations to cut down the number of UK shows, which could have ramifications on fundraising for future British blockbusters.


    A Whitehall source accused Brussels of "cutting off their nose to spite their face" to punish the UK for having the temerity to quit the bloc.

    Such was EU anger at Brexit, the source said, Brussels was willing to deprive Europeans of feel good romantic comedies such as Bridget Jones’ Diary or brooding, sensual and sumptuous period dramas like Poldark.

  • The EU are acting out the maxim " Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned " only the situation is that they are furious that the UK wanted to and achieved a seperation from that failed EU experiment. They are being girly wimps full of girly spite. ;)

    The Voice of Reason

  • This sounds like a typical French stunt to me. Anything English, they've always wanted to be rid of. If people want to watch Downton Abbey, that's their business and the EU should stay out of it. It's not as if we're still in a international emergency or anything, is it...? :rolleyes:

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