Brexit and EU general chit chat

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  • RT is good for covering the stuff the BBC try and keep quite about.

    Many years ago I used to do a lot on short wave radio, espcially when the Breakup of the USSR started to take place I started listening to The Voice of Russia, which was a USSR propaganda station that used to go out on about 11 Mhz.

    First the Baltic states (Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia) declared their independence from Moscow. Then, in early December, the Republic of Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine broke away from the USSR and created the Commonwealth of Independent States. Weeks later, they were followed by eight of the nine remaining republics. On that day The Voice of Russia, within 8 hours , switched from broadcasting pro-USSR propaganda to proclaiming the Independant Russia as free

    It was a spine tingling moment of truth.

  • RT is good for covering the stuff the BBC try and keep quite about.

    Many years ago I used to do a lot on short wave radio, espcially when the Breakup of the USSR started to take place I started listening to The Voice of Russia, which was a USSR propaganda station that used to go out on about 11 Mhz.

    RT is pure Putin propaganda, so I'll pass on that, thanks.

  • Just watching that QT now and it started with the Telegraph's Charles Moore saying he is the only leaver on the panel and he was right.

    If we're not careful, we'll end up going down the American route with conservative minded people watching their own channels like Fox News and liberals watching stuff like CNN. The difference being here is that the BBC is funded by everyone, not just one political group. Shame that's not reflected on screen in shows like QT.

    I fear that the mass of audience watching TV news swallows what is being fed to them. Ultimately this will influence their voting decision and hence the quality of government of this country. This is for me the downside of popular democracy, where we end up with elected representatives whose career advancement depends on being answerable to a media-brainwashed mass-electorate. Once elected representatives climb onto that bandwagon the vicious circle is up and running, where he or she peddles the same biased news to reinforces or improve their tenure. This is how mob rule creates government bullshit . The difference between government lies and government bullshit is that bullshit is when a politician actually believes their own lies. It's known as "living the lie". This enables a politician to suppress the guilt of lying and instead believe themselves to be virtuous and oozing principle and morality. God help us, these bullshitters really believe that of themselves. A D-I-Y halo. Thus, I watch TV News (and the press) to try and understand where society is heading. I admit to it also being a form of intellectual self-abuse. To watch Ch 4's Jon Snow interviewing someone with whom he disagrees is so horrific as to be hilarious. BBC's Question Times presents the reality of all that bullshit, punctuated by applause or jeers from

  • To watch Ch 4's Jon Snow interviewing someone with whom he disagrees is so horrific as to be hilarious. BBC's Question Times presents the reality of all that bullshit, punctuated by applause or jeers from

    Snow is a disgusting human, a traitor to his country, his colour, and his nationality. A fully paid Beta Male NWO stooge, On the same lines as the dismal Owen Jones, and David Lammy, one of Parliamnts worst black racist lefties.


    A variant on the 'living the lie' mentatlity is the appaling fascist behaviour of the hard left, such as Momentum, who practice the same political thuggery and violence, as well as antisemitism, as the Brownshirts, whilst at the same time accusing others of 'racism' and 'fascism'. They can reconcile this glaring contradiction and hipocrisy on the rationale they must be on the side of 'good', because they are fighting for 'social justice', therefore any ends justifies the means and is forgivable, including thier own racism, antisemitism and fascist behaviour. Its a marvellous piece of Orwellian Doublethink.

  • It appears someone put an obituary in The Times:

    The notice said: "It was with sad regret that Democracy died quietly in her sleep at 11pm, on the 29th March 2019. The cause of death was by foul play and the culprits have yet to be brought to justice.

    "Democracy campaigned for the rule of law, human rights and free elections. She listened to everyone and favoured the majority in all her decisions. She will be sorely missed. God have mercy on her soul."

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • I fear that the mass of audience watching TV news swallows what is being fed to them. Ultimately this will influence their voting decision and hence the quality of government of this country.

    I disagree with you on the tv news, as that's watched by a primarily older audience. It's on platforms like Facebook which influence the young in how they think.

    It appears someone put an obituary in The Times:

    The notice said: "It was with sad regret that Democracy died quietly in her sleep at 11pm, on the 29th March 2019. The cause of death was by foul play and the culprits have yet to be brought to justice.

    "Democracy campaigned for the rule of law, human rights and free elections. She listened to everyone and favoured the majority in all her decisions. She will be sorely missed. God have mercy on her soul."

    I just see this whole episode as a glitch in The Matrix, and like the films, it will all come good in the end. Everything self-corrects eventually.

  • I disagree with you on the tv news, as that's watched by a primarily older audience. It's on platforms like Facebook which influence the young in how they think.

    I just see this whole episode as a glitch in The Matrix, and like the films, it will all come good in the end. Everything self-corrects eventually.

    Your point about where the young are getting news from is TRULY DISTURBING ,God help us all .

  • Intersting to watch Verhofstadt's body language, defensive and squirming as Jacob Rees Mogg skewers him..

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  • THE vote for Brexit in 2016 was partly a rejection of EU authoritarianism, but Remainers are frustrating it with further authoritarianism, while pretending they’re the moderates.

    Remainers don’t want to talk about the EU’s authoritarianism, so here’s a reminder:

    1. The EU’s executive is undemocratic, yet decides what’s best for everybody;

    2. Its legislature is dominated by a few pro-EU blocs promoted by the EU itself, without the legitimacy of mass electoral turnout;

    3. EU courts are as unaccountable as its executive, but get to re-interpret and strike down British laws.

    Yet the EU has accelerated centralisation, while the Remainer majority in government, Parliament, and the mainstream media have frustrated Brexit with authoritarian tricks. They claim that Brexiteers didn’t know what they were voting for, so we should run the referendum again.

    Remainers justify procrastination as opportunity for Leavers to reconsider. The government pretended that it needed time to work out its negotiating position while it waited nine months before petitioning to leave the EU, yet still emerged with no negotiating position. It then acquiesced in an unnecessary two-year countdown, which it has extended twice (now to October 31 – more than three years and four months since the referendum). Yet it doesn’t want us to participate in European elections next month because voters will surely support Brexit parties.

    Remainers claim that we should accommodate the losing side by compromising – and their ‘compromises’ look like Remain.

    Remainers spin their own preferences as ‘Brexit’. They spin the referendum choice (‘leaving the EU’) as ‘hard Brexit’, ‘extreme Brexit’, ‘falling off a cliff’, ‘crashing out’.

    They make everything more complicated than necessary to promote confusion and fatigue, then tell us we just want to get on with it, so we should pass the ‘deal’ that looks like Remain because that would ‘deliver Brexit’.

    Remainers reduce the disputes to two sides: they set up themselves as moderates, centrists, and compromisers, then condemn all dissenters as extremists.

    In December, Chancellor Philip Hammond labelled opponents to Theresa May’s fake ‘deal’ as ‘extremists’. Anna Soubry claims that the Conservative Party is run by Brexit ‘extremists’, even though most of the Parliamentary party are Remainers, and an even larger proportion of Remainers dominate Theresa May’s administration. Soubry pretends that ignoring the first referendum would be more democratic because we need to change our minds. Yet, when Brexiteers denounce her as authoritarian, they’re reported as ‘far-Right’. She and two others quit the Conservative Party in February, saying that the ‘right-wing Brexiteers have won’. They joined defectors from other parties to form The Independent Group (now Change UK Party), whose only policies are to overturn the referendum and to shunt us back to the ‘centre’.

    The wider elite is engaging in the same hypocrisy. The Counter-Extremism Project claims that Brexit promotes ‘nationalism and Islamophobia’, but expresses no concern about authoritarianism. For the Guardian, only Brexiteers are ‘extremists’, only ‘supporters of Nigel Farage’ make death threats, only ‘the Daily Telegraph and the European Research Group’ engage in ‘scaremongering’.

    Brexit is no longer a fight against EU authoritarianism but a fight against British authoritarianism.

    Parliamentarians are no longer representatives but oligarchs. They betray their promises to implement the referendum. They ignore their party manifestos. When a constituency party de-selects a representative, the Parliamentary party ignores the de-selection (Dominic Grieve), although once Parliament rejects their alternative they flounce out anyway (Nick Boles). Even jailed criminals can show up on parole to vote against Brexit (Fiona Onasanya).

    The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, abandons precedent so that Remainers can motion alternatives, then sticks to precedent so the government can’t re-re-present its unchanged Withdrawal Agreement at the same time. Despite ten controversial years in the post, he intends to stay until Parliament confirms Remain.

    Parliament has voted down Brexit several times, using the euphemism ‘no deal Brexit’. It has approved no other alternatives, but came closest to approving a customs union, which would be the worst of all worlds. Now, Frank Field (a defector from Corbyn’s party) and Ken Clarke (a wannabe defector from May’s party) are plotting to motion an undisguised customs union as the best of both worlds.

    The Conservative and Labour leaderships are in their third week of talks about a bipartisan version of Remain, which should be easy because they both want to stay in the customs union, but both are pretending the other wouldn’t deliver Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn is now blaming the failure of their talks on the government’s ‘extreme’ expectation that Britain should be able to sign free trade deals for itself. In other words, economic sovereignty is ‘extremist’.

    Yet Corbyn went further: he claimed ‘a big pressure in the Tory party that actually wants to turn this country into a deregulated low-tax society which will do a deal with Trump’. Corbyn ties Brexiteers to Trump, but cries foul when he is tied to Palestinian terrorists.

    Worse, Labour’s MP David Lammy keeps equating Brexiteers to Nazis, then characterises Remainers as anti-appeasers.

    Perversely, in reaching into the 1930s for analogies, he revives the fake anti-authoritarianism of the 1930s, when the Left consolidated around the Soviet version of socialism as the only alternative to the fascist version of socialism. Even communists who refused Soviet domination were labelled fascists or counter-revolutionaries. Democrats were told there is no third way: you’re either with Soviet authoritarianism or fascism.

    The elite sided with Soviet authoritarianism: Western journalists and democratic representatives, including the leader of the Labour Party, Clement Attlee, eulogised the Soviet-controlled ‘Popular Front’ of the Spanish Civil War as the ‘legitimate’, ‘democratic’, ‘republican’, ‘loyalist’ government. Then they parroted Soviet claims that missing opponents must have been eliminated by fascist ‘fifth columnists’ or escaped to the other side.

    Like the elite in the 1930s, the elite in the 2010s bandwagoned with transnational authoritarianism as the necessary defender of liberal objectives (workers’ rights, peace, openness, toleration), denied Britain’s negotiating position (respectively: rearmament; leave without a deal), encouraged it to appease and acquiesce with authoritarianism, and betrayed and misinformed the electorate.

    Brexiteers are the real anti-authoritarians and anti-appeasers, at home as well as abroad.

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/brexit-is-now-…thoritarianism/

  • And hers an intersting observation

    "Is the EU prepared to reform? Oh yes – in exactly the wrong way. Only last November, the enthusiast Mr Verhofstadt was calling for the abolition of member nations’ individual veto: ‘You cannot manage a continent of that magnitude with such a system.’ Why does the veto matter? Because EU-scepticism is not just a Brit thing. Frau Merkel may be the Chancellor of Germany, the EU’s biggest financial backer, but she is not an EU official.

    Even as it is, one of her sharpest critics, Alice Weidel, leader of Germany’s AfD opposition party, in her much-circulated 21 March speech to the Bundestag, worries that the UK’s departure threatens Germans’ ability to muster a blocking minority EU veto (minimum 35 per cent of EU population.) Already, she says, Merkel and Macron’s Aachen Treaty stands to jam open Germany’s wallet for the depredations of French profligacy, and the free movement of eastern Europeans per Schengen rights has led to growing strains on the German economy under Hartz IV social security arrangements.

    "

    For years we British have had to pay to prop up inefficient French Farms and mountians of unwanted produce, whikst watching our own agroculture targetted by EU rules desigedn to cripple it. Wait till the Germans have to start paying for the French. Watch EU 'unity' disintergrate.

  • The EU sees no reason to reform , the brainwashed fools see it as a personal attack if their project is criticised . You may hear even the likes of Cable and Soubry quote reform , but that is said with all the sincerity of an ardent liar.

    Reform means we got it wrong in the first place , a concept totally alien to the EU leadership.

  • It is quite worrying to hear the 'double speak' of Sourbry and co. I have never been so disillusioned by politicians, of all colours!

    Do any of them have any honesty or integrity?

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • Yes, which is why they're behaving like they do. They believe in the EU.

    As ive previously said. Peopel like Blair, Mandelson, Clegg, Ken Clark, Sobrey, Umunna and a coupel of hundred others are just traitors, EU Stooges, the EU 5th Column in our midst.

  • Remainers don’t want to talk about the EU’s authoritarianism, so here’s a reminder:


    1. The EU’s executive is undemocratic, yet decides what’s best for everybody;

    I'll read the bulk of your post later, as I'm short on time, but although the commission is undemocratic, I agree, they take their orders from the Council which is made of of the elected European leaders.

    Gosh, it sounds like I'm defending the EU.8|:saint:

  • They believe what they believe and have always been transparent about it. Nobody could ever accuse Ken Clarke of being anything but a complete Europhile.

    Maybe, but did we know they would fight the biggest electoral mandate in UK history? I didn't. I thought the EU would be a problem, but I never expected UK politicians to fight so hard to destroy UK democracy.

    I knew they would whinge and whine, but I never expected the depths of treason they have shown.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

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