Brexit and EU general chit chat

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  • You can imagine why they panic at the mention of a second referendum, they fear the result ^^

    The reason Brexiteers don't want another referendum is because we have already had one, and many who voted to leave have already made clear that a re-run would be a transparent attempt to overturn it, and therefore they would not trust the system and they would not flatter that system by voting again. So, yes, that would overturn the result in all probability, but it would not settle the matter as the people would cry foul.


    If there was a genuine desire to remain in the EU, the Lib Dems would have seen a far better result than it did in the General Election. Why would those wanting to remain have voted Conservative, with the manifesto making clear that they would take us out of the EU?


    How can you seriously promote an argument that the General Election result did not reflect what people wanted in terms of the EU?

  • Yup. They panic and lose their cool. And then start chicken necking everyone with things like democracy and will of the people. No offence to them, but it is comical. :D

    Yes, many remainers who are still protesting think it's funny that Brexiteers prefer democracy than rule by the undemocratic EU. I find that sad, not comical.

  • The reason Brexiteers don't want another referendum is because we have already had one, and many who voted to leave have already made clear that a re-run would be a transparent attempt to overturn it, and therefore they would not trust the system and they would not flatter that system by voting again. So, yes, that would overturn the result in all probability, but it would not settle the matter as the people would cry foul.

    So under that argument we don't hold general elections anymore "because we've already had one"

    If there was a genuine desire to remain in the EU, the Lib Dems would have seen a far better result than it did in the General Election. Why would those wanting to remain have voted Conservative, with the manifesto making clear that they would take us out of the EU?

    The GE result was due to poor leadership, Swinton and Corbyn. Had Cable or Starmer been there the result would have been totally different, and Leavers would be screaming now

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  • So under that argument we don't hold general elections anymore "because we've already had one

    Referendums are not designed to be repeated. As was made clear at the time, the referendum result would be respected. There was no undertaking to hold as many referendums as it would take to get the 'right answer'.

    The GE result was due to poor leadership, Swinton and Corbyn. Had Cable or Starmer been there the result would have been totally different, and Leavers would be screaming now

    That's opinion on your part, and totally unprovable.


    We saw traditional Labour voters complaining that Labour were not listening to them and telling interviewers that they would vote Conservative for the first time for that reason and to get the Brexit result implemented.


    Time and time again, we saw the BBC's 'Question Time' revealing that most of their 'carefully selected audiences' clearly supported Brexit, much to the chagrin of the Beeb establishment. Fiona Bruce's face frequently looked like a smacked bottom. Very, very annoyed and dismissive.


    That is the truth of the matter, without the spin.

  • Yes, many remainers who are still protesting think it's funny that Brexiteers prefer democracy than rule by the undemocratic EU. I find that sad, not comical.

    Yes, Brexiteers used and will use undemocratic ways and means to achieve their preference for democracy. It is sad. And comical.

  • So under that argument we don't hold general elections anymore "because we've already had one"

    The GE result was due to poor leadership, Swinton and Corbyn. Had Cable or Starmer been there the result would have been totally different, and Leavers would be screaming now

    A vote against Corbyn; rather than a vote for Johnson.

  • A vote against Corbyn; rather than a vote for Johnson.

    I am not a Tory, but they were by far the most credible potential government. Socialism is dead and buried, so that took out the Labour party, the Lib Dems, and the Green party. To be honest, until there is another credible right wing party the Tories have nothing to worry about.

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  • I am not a Tory, but they were by far the most credible potential government. Socialism is dead and buried, so that took out the Labour party, the Lib Dems, and the Green party. To be honest, until there is another credible right wing party the Tories have nothing to worry about.

    More like credible manipulators of truth. But that's just me talking.

  • IOW Liars and wafflers

    I think your getting Tory MP's confused with all MP's. The thing is people say they want MP's to be honest, but when they are people don't like it. The only politician I have ever believed is Farage, and some people don't like him either. Think what you like about Trump, but at least he says it as he sees it, whereas Obama never gave a straight answer to anything, and never actually did anything, but many Brits thought he was an American God

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  • More like credible manipulators of truth. But that's just me talking.

    Is that trait a Tory exclusive?


    I seem to remember a claim from Tony Blair about 45 minutes...


    ...that lead to a war.


    There's nothing of that magnitude going on now.


    Maybe if Social Media had been around in 2003?

  • Maybe you should tell us all about Tony Blair and the Iraq War.

  • Maybe you should tell us all about Tony Blair and the Iraq War.

    They'll keep on churning out the anti TB crap because they see him and his policies as a threat to their beloved Tories

    The only thing wrong with the Iraq war was the lack of planning as to what to do once thee despot Sadam was removed which allowed those of his generals and supporters left to support Al Qaeda and ISIS

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  • They'll keep on churning out the anti TB crap because they see him and his policies as a threat to their beloved Tories

    The only thing wrong with the Iraq war was the lack of planning as to what to do once thee despot Sadam was removed which allowed those of his generals and supporters left to support Al Qaeda and ISIS

    Exactly. Blair exposed the limitations of Tory ideology.

  • So you are now introducing a time limit ;)

    No, actually. 45 years is a long time, but we never voted to join the EU. We voted to join the Common Market. If that had been the question in the recent referendum, we would still have a majority in favour of that, just as we did 45 years ago.

  • No, actually. 45 years is a long time, but we never voted to join the EU. We voted to join the Common Market. If that had been the question in the recent referendum, we would still have a majority in favour of that, just as we did 45 years ago.

    Just imagine the same comments following the American Civil War when a few amalgamated and the rest objected

    And look what they became

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