Judgment Day. Deal or no deal.

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  • No rebate and mandatory joining of the Euro. I can see that going down like a cup of cold sick.

    Imagine if MP's are foolish enough to keep us in the EU. Not only will people be angry at their broken promises, but every new EU crisis, every new tax increase or austerity measure and every new bit of legislation that affects people lives will cause an uproar (and there has never been a shortage of those from the EU).

    Even while the EU lurches from crisis to crisis and EU economies going down the pan, some UK politicians still think we can be forced (by them) to remain under EU rule. It's unbelievable. Do they still live with a vague hope of EU reform?

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • I've learned that the EU are getting a bit cheesed off with their member, Southern Ireland, not because of the border balderdash but because Southern Ireland is getting rich and well employed at a faster rate than the rests of the EU by offering extremely low tax rates to attract outside investment. The EU is seriously considering how they can amend the rules to force member state to keep within prescribed upper and lower limits on tax rates. Yet another reason to get out without a deal, so we can play that ace in the hole if necessary.

  • I've learned that the EU are getting a bit cheesed off with their member, Southern Ireland, not because of the border balderdash but because Southern Ireland is getting rich and well employed at a faster rate than the rests of the EU by offering extremely low tax rates to attract outside investment. The EU is seriously considering how they can amend the rules to force member state to keep within prescribed upper and lower limits on tax rates. Yet another reason to get out without a deal, so we can play that ace in the hole if necessary.

    All that is covered by the Five Presidents' Report, which is supposedly the precursor of the next EU Treaty.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • Not heard of that report, I will check it out when I can.

    I've learned that the EU are getting a bit cheesed off with their member, Southern Ireland, not because of the border balderdash but because Southern Ireland is getting rich and well employed at a faster rate than the rests of the EU by offering extremely low tax rates to attract outside investment. The EU is seriously considering how they can amend the rules to force member state to keep within prescribed upper and lower limits on tax rates. Yet another reason to get out without a deal, so we can play that ace in the hole if necessary.

    The Irish have already been bashed over their tax "breaks" to big American tech, but I can't recall if it went to court or not.

    The EU hates competition.

    Imagine if MP's are foolish enough to keep us in the EU. Not only will people be angry at their broken promises, but every new EU crisis, every new tax increase or austerity measure and every new bit of legislation that affects people lives will cause an uproar (and there has never been a shortage of those from the EU).

    Even while the EU lurches from crisis to crisis and EU economies going down the pan, some UK politicians still think we can be forced (by them) to remain under EU rule. It's unbelievable. Do they still live with a vague hope of EU reform?

    There won't be EU reform, unless the Germans want it to happen.

    As I'm not a lawyer, I am genuinely interested to know come 30th March when the withdrawal act comes into force, what happens if May and the MPs get a extension to sort out a deal. The law is the law and unless they get it altered, the 1972 act that took us into the EEC is no more. If we're not in the EU after the 29th March, then extensions all seem pointless.

    No rebate and mandatory joining of the Euro. I can see that going down like a cup of cold sick.

    Not really much I can add to that....^^ except that I agree.

  • An extension is just a pipe dream and would cause enormous problems, so the EU is unlikely to grant an extension unless there are some very substantial concessions from the UK. Is there anything else May is willing to give away?

    The explanation is here:

    Why seeking an extension to Article 50 would be a terrible idea

    Just read the linked document. Two things:

    It's clear that with the upcoming European Parliament elections, either a deal is agreed and ratified before 29th March, or a extension, if granted, would essentially not be a extension for the reasons the barrister sets out, ie we get a new set of MEPs, pay into the EU's budget etc, but would simply be staying in the EU. That's my take on what he said. And, as the barrister concluded, the concessions gleamed from us would be so bad, it would make the deal terrible, even more so than it is now.

    BUT, the bit that got my attention was near the end:

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    Under the draft Withdrawal Agreement, the UK would have to pay a sum which has been widely estimated at £39 billion, but in fact is likely to end up considerably higher, particularly since Theresa May caved in to the EU’s demand that the ECJ should be given jurisdiction to decide the amount instead of a neutral international tribunal.

    8|

    When did May agree to this? This is terrible and I'm surprised it hasn't made front page news. So, it won't be the £39 billion, but probably will be the £100 billion that the EU demanded all along. Sheer lunacy.

    We need a clean break from this mess and anything else would be extremely damaging to this country.

    Thanks for that Link Fidget and all the other Brexit ones you supply. I don't normally have time to read the stuff at the time, but I get there in the end.

  • The law is the law

    Are you referring to that 1958 French-Italian comedy film? Or to a vocation that enables a never-ending segment of well-educated parasites called lawyers, to make a lot of money helping distressed people or companies to escape paying money to their adversaries and instead hand it over to their lawyers?

  • Stephen Barclay (current Brexit sec) has just said in the commons discussion over the government's EU motion, that a no deal Brexit will happen on the 29th March if a deal with the EU doesn't get agreed. This was in reply to a question by John Barron, another conservative MP.

    I hope this is true, but I stopped believing politicians a long time ago. I'll wait to see if it happens before I start celebrating.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • I didn't doubt that you heard correctly. I just doubt the honesty of any politician.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

  • Stephen Barclay (current Brexit sec) has just said in the commons discussion over the government's EU motion, that a no deal Brexit will happen on the 29th March if a deal with the EU doesn't get agreed. This was in reply to a question by John Barron, another conservative MP.

    PM defeated over Brexit strategy

    May loses the vote and she is not even in the chamber to see it. About time she goes.

    PM defeated over Brexit strategy

    About time she goes.

    Yuh think?

    OMG!

    Catastrophe!

    Crashing Out

    Falling off a cliff

    Unaffordable food prices

    Empty shelves

    Shortage of life-saving medicines

    Food from EU to Britain rotting in Calais

    Bankruptcies, liquidations, unemployment

    Foreign investment into the UK drops to near zero

    British companies relocate all or part of their operation abroad to EU - or just about anywhere except UK or Middle East

    £1 slides to <1 Euro

    1930 Depression will look like a picnic by comparison. Marc Carney agrees with that and his bags are packed

    Irish dead against it although they're not sure what "it" is, but insist it will break Good Friday Agreement because .... well, because it will

    Many activists in the Labour Party think it's all because of the Jews. Corbyn doesn't disagree or agree

    British public want to have their say and think referendum should just ask: "Do you think Britain should just get on with it? Yes or no?".

    Theresa May remains in power thanks to her renowned fortitude. She is having trade talks with President Madura in Venezuela and is widely believed to be in Caracas (this could be a mistype for "widely believed to be crackers)

  • ^^

    They were actually talking about shortages of Viagra during the debate today, I kid you not.

    I saw that part too. There were a few funny one-liners.

    Mark Twain — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.'

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