Judgment Day. Deal or no deal.

  • According to Iain Dale on LBC ,14 of the cabinet opposed her lunacy so why did she still persist ? , I believe she is mentally unstable !

    Yes, I saw that on the news earlier. But will this useless Cabinet oppose her, considering the Brexit members voted for her deal last time around?

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  • I know, I know, I know.:)


    Silly me for thinking that a law was set in stone.

    I wouldn't trust a politician to tell me that the sky is blue and that grass is green, so as soon as they said "the UK leaves the EU on the 29th of March 2019 regardless of a deal or not!" I already had my doubts. ;)

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • I had more faith in the politicians that you Ron and on all other issues other than Europe, many of the MPs are solid and reliable, but the problem with this issue is that most of them believe in the EU and don't want to leave it. So, the only way we may get Brexit in the end, is to to dump the lot of them and go with new parties.

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  • Macron telling it like it is. Could he be the saviour of no deal Brexit?

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  • Apparently, the 7 hr Cabinet meeting resulted in a majority for a no deal/WTO exit, but May decided against it and decided to let Corbyn help out instead!


    I am not prone to violence, but I am leaning towards making May an exception!

  • Apparently, the 7 hr Cabinet meeting resulted in a majority for a no deal/WTO exit, but May decided against it and decided to let Corbyn help out instead!


    I am not prone to violence, but I am leaning towards making May an exception!

    I think there's a market for Theresa May voodoo dolls and dartboards. And bumper stickers suggesting Britain gets twinned with Venezuela.


    We've gone from "no deal is better than a bad deal" to "any deal is better than no deal". This is because Britain is fixated on no deal being "catastrophic". This is because British business is too lazy to cope with tariffs and British government too inept and inexperienced to negotiate reciprocal tariffs and, where appropriate, zero tariffs.


    Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn will claim to work together on the pretext of the good of the country, national unity and other such [email protected]#. This conceals conceal the naked ambition of one or other of these two unwanted scheming retards getting into Number 10. May's electoral pitch will be that against all obstacles her so-called laser-like focus and fortitude has "brought home the bacon", viz BINO. Corbyn's pitch will be that he and the Labour Party have rescued this country from ruination caused by Tory idiocy, incompetence and putting personal career and Tory ambition above the national interest. The winner into Number 10 will the one viewed as least abhorrent or, to put it another way, a choice between which of these two irremovable creatures will ruin Britain the fastest

  • the only way we may get Brexit in the end, is to to dump the lot of them and go with new parties.

    You mean the forgotten about invisible breakaways from Labour and Conservative. Or Green Party (intelligent and articulate leader though she is). Or the dying on its feet Liberals? Or UKIP Mark III? Or screaming Lord Sutch?


    I'd be delighted to cast my vote for a Labour party run by someone like Jess Philips and a cabinet of her choice. They wouldn't need Unions support. There are enough businesses and private wealthy people who would see the sense of a Labour Party under someone of her calibre.


    .Okay, she's a socialist but she's not a Marxist and she's not a looter. Surely there's nothing wrong with Capitalism if it's controlled by a government with social and business ethics, a moral compass and common sense.

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  • The majority of MPs in anti-EU Tory faction the European Research Group (ERG) will vote against Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit deal when it is presented to parliament next month, a minister has said.

    So after complete capitulation during the third vote, the ERG has changed its mind again and will now vote against the deal once more. Perhaps if they stuck to the same hymn sheet, we'd all be better for it. And who knows, perhaps May might even give up this time, if she is defeated once again. Stranger things have happened.

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  • Apparently, she said that if it fails this time, MP's will be given a choice of a WTO Brexit (but described as No Deal) or revoke A50.


    That's if anyone can still believe a single word she says! She's been on TV tonight saying that her deal delivers Brexit. She is either 100% dishonest, or is so totally thick that she won't listen to legal advice. I go for her being dishonest myself.

  • How can they possibly revoke article 50 ?, if that happens the shit houses in parliament will never , ever , vote for it again , period!

    As for a election being an excuse to clear things up, it will not work under the current system as how many traitors would be deflected beforehand?

  • The odious slug Emily Thornberry on Peston spouting the usual crap , remain ,blah, blah talking about the economy and jobs and being democratic, on a day they announce they want to nationalise the national grid as the latest money tree use , no mention about how they helped Rover and countless other now defunct industries whilst in power!

  • Apparently, she said that if it fails this time, MP's will be given a choice of a WTO Brexit (but described as No Deal) or revoke A50.


    That's if anyone can still believe a single word she says! She's been on TV tonight saying that her deal delivers Brexit. She is either 100% dishonest, or is so totally thick that she won't listen to legal advice. I go for her being dishonest myself.

    If they revoke art50, they're slitting their own throats. No one will ever vote for any current MPs again.


    On the dishonesty, I said I never wanted to believe that she was dishonest, but it is hard to ignore the fact that she said multiple times we would leave on 29th March and we didn't. I think by Chequers last year and David Davis' revelation that May brought out a alternate document to the one he'd been working, provided just a "tad" of evidence that she has been lying all along.


    The odious slug Emily Thornberry on Peston spouting the usual crap

    I'm surprised she gets on with Corbyn so well, what with her being a Blairite and he much more of the Benn era. I suppose slugs attract slugs.

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  • On the dishonesty, I said I never wanted to believe that she was dishonest, but it is hard to ignore the fact that she said multiple times we would leave on 29th March and we didn't.

    Just a serial liar. You can't believe a word she says. Failed Home Scretary and failed PM. That will be her "legacy"


    If A50 get revoked look to Nigel Farage's Brexit party for salvation since none of the others actually want to leave the EU.

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  • The problem is that certain members of the Labour party, ie. Keir Starmer, wants us tied into a Common Market on a permanent basis, ie. they want to bind us forever so as to prevent a future Brexiter PM overturning it. They are panicking that May be replaced by a Brexiter who won't go along with their Brino attempts.


    This goes against everything that our constitution stands for. I always understood that a current government could not bind the hands of future governments, and it is the most sensible rule ever, which is probably why the non-democrats want to do it.

  • ....She just won't give up.


    These extra measures are just to try and buy Labour's support, but why would they prop up a failing Conservative prime minister?

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  • The problem is that certain members of the Labour party, ie. Keir Starmer, wants us tied into a Common Market on a permanent basis, ie. they want to bind us forever so as to prevent a future Brexiter PM overturning it. They are panicking that May be replaced by a Brexiter who won't go along with their Brino attempts.


    This goes against everything that our constitution stands for. I always understood that a current government could not bind the hands of future governments, and it is the most sensible rule ever, which is probably why the non-democrats want to do it.

    Everything can be overturned though, Fidget.


    Even if we were tied into a common market by treaty, we can still walk away from that treaty. Damaging to us, yes, but not disastrous.


    And they are right to panic, because this time, Boris will likely win a leadership contest if Farage does well in the European elections next week.

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  • Bold? , is she mentally ill ? , the treaty will not be reopened according to our EU masters so all she will do is add more unbinding promises to the future deal proposals, that is all they are ,proposals , the real problem is the BLOODY TREATY !

  • I was never keen when another member kept calling her mentally ill, but for someone on the top of her game, she is prime minister, she seems incredibly naive.


    Now that the ERG has done an about turn after their capitulation last time, there is no way that May will get the numbers she needs.

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  • her "bold" new offer

    Same as the old one. But like a dog with a favorite bone who's marrow has long since gone she just can't put it down.

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  • Cabinet in revolt against May's deal and May herself

    Theresa May faces a fresh push to force her out of office as early as next week, as Cabinet ministers admit they cannot vote for her Brexit deal.

    The Prime Minister is this morning struggling to contain a Tory backbench revolt over the Withdrawal Agreement Bill (WAB), after her offer to hold a vote on a second referendum was branded a “sellout”.

    She clings on to her precious "deal" and promises a second referendum to try and bribe Labour MP's. Result: she alienates everyone, including her allies.


    Speculation is that she'll be gone within two weeks, but as I said two years ago, I thought she'd be gone then, so I'll say nothing, except this "deal" will not get through. Will she ever accept this?

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  • Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch it, but had BBC parliament on in the background and yes May is going for a fourth vote. Half the cabinet were missing when she made her statement to parliament earlier. She seems unable to understand even the most obvious signs against her deal.:rolleyes:

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  • May's deal is dead, but the only person who won't accept that is May herself.


    Whose next to leave the Cabinet? Gove??

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  • Couldn't have put it better myself.

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