Scotland will have to exit the EU with the UK.


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    Sturgeon's not going to like that.

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  • I was talking about this on The Times Online last night.


    As I said there, I'm not a lawyer but it depends on how Scottish independence, were it to occur, actually happens.


    If Scotland were to leave the UK, then Scotland would have to apply for EU membership as a new member. That's clear in EU rules. But a bit like the break up of Czechoslovakia, if the UK were to split into two, that's an entirely different matter.


    If England, Wales and Northern Ireland agreed that the UK was splitting into two countries, one the old UK and the other being Scotland. Scotland could then keep its EU membership as it would retain all the benefits of UK's membership of the EU.


    So, it depends on how things pan out.

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  • The only way scotland could "remain" is to split from the UK before we split from the EU IMO. Can't see that happening as there doesn't seem to be an appetite for another independance referendom up there.

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  • I'm a bit like the Icelandic Pirate Party in that I support Scottish independence. I am an English nationalist so obviously I support that too. The more compact and independent the better. Alliances are always open to negotiation. Big hefty tax thieving entities are anathema to the way I see humanity if humanity wants to retain at least some of its important diverse characteristics and cultures.


    I know this isn't a popular view, but I stick with it because I don't like unions, I prefer alliances. Solidarity is strength, not unions. :D

  • Little Wing,


    hmmm....But the Scots are not a separate people, they are British. Even before the UK was created there was far greater integration on the island and I don't just mean the coming together of the monarchs, but in language and culture.

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  • Independence doesn't separate people, it gives them something to live and work and fight for. The UK has always been something of a disunited kingdom on account of its history. It could still be in strong alliance among its nations.


    This is very much against the ideology of the left that hates identity and Independence and strives for universalism and global control.


    I am personally against the very core of leftist ideology in that respect. Many have been frightened into wanting to whoosh themselves into one. This has roots in world religions. It's going to be one of the big struggles of the twenty-first century - keeping one's identity when all around are being asked (cajoled and threatened) into giving that up.


    Once you've given up your identity, you have lost your ancestors and become the servant of the will of the universal controllers.


    You have to ask yourself if that is worth doing because once done ...

  • Given that for Scotland to remain in the EU with the same terms as the UK now would require all the other EU nations to approve. I can't see that happening. Spain at least would object as making a special case for Scotland would fuel Catalan independence claims.

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  • Heero, Yep, but as I said in my earlier post if the UK (all of us) agreed to split into two separate countries, then Scotland wouldn't need to apply for membership of the EU as a new country because it would already be a member of an existing, if changed, country.

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