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  • Yes, of course the Nightingale hospitals were designed to take Covid patients, which makes the NHS England's decision to cancel all appointments and operations (unless they were obviously immediately life threatening) all the more difficult to understand.


    These managers couldn't run a chip shop that didn't even sell fish. Hopeless!

    True but what is the alternative, they have tried cost effective measures and all that resulted in was the service was reduced

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  • True but what is the alternative, they have tried cost effective measures and all that resulted in was the service was reduced

    NHS managers don't understand 'cost effective'. They spend relentlessly and blame the politicians for their own inefficiences. This has to stop, for all our sakes.

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  • Oh, dear. New Zealand going for another lockdown. How many times does this have to happen before governments get the message that lockdowns will not rid them of this virus?

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  • Oh, dear. New Zealand going for another lockdown. How many times does this have to happen before governments get the message that lockdowns will not rid them of this virus?

    The lockdown did get rid of the virus. The problem is they opened the borders afterwards and someone has then gone and brought it back in. So it's not that lockdowns don't work, the problem is people travelling around the world. If every county in the world was to strictly close all borders I reckon the whole world could get better control of this virus. Right now it's free to roam around where it wants which of course is another option. Allow it to roam around and do what it likes until it burns out and accept the consequences which means killing off many people and lots more stress and strain on health services now and in the future. Many folk who recover from a serious case end up with lifelong damage to organs including brain damage in some cases. So it's a case of either paying for it now in one lump sum and getting it over and done with or pay for it in bits and drabs that add up to larger amount over a longer period of time. There is no such thing as save the economy as we end up paying for it in one way or the other.

  • I would go along with sensible measures to isolate festering hotspots, but I think we should generally avoid future lockdowns, except for the vulnerable amongst us.


    The working population need to get back out there, because the alternative is worse.

    But as we have seen with all the crowded beaches and pubs, masses of people either do not care about the virus spreading or are ignorant about its dangers to elderly and vulnerable people. Those same people will eventually come into contact with an elderly grandparent and spread the virus to them. We either have complete lockdown or not, I don't see how the government's new idea of letting under 40s do want they want while protecting the over 60s will work. And what happens to those between 40 and 60, like me?

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  • The lockdown did get rid of the virus.

    Which shows lockdown works and if streets have to be policed with armed troops to enforce another lockdown, so be it.


    The problem is they opened the borders afterwards and someone has then gone and brought it back in

    In this country, our borders were never closed. People could still fly in on planes and hundreds of lorries were coming through our ports each day.


    If our borders were totally shut down and if the rest of the world did the same, it would kill the spread of the virus, I agree. It's in part due to globalisation that has made this pandemic much worser than it need be.


    Many folk who recover from a serious case end up with lifelong damage to organs including brain damage in some cases. So it's a case of either paying for it now in one lump sum and getting it over and done with or pay for it in bits and drabs that add up to larger amount over a longer period of time. There is no such thing as save the economy as we end up paying for it in one way or the other.

    Exactly. This needs to be dealt with now and the whole world is in the same boat as us.

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  • Oh, dear. New Zealand going for another lockdown. How many times does this have to happen before governments get the message that lockdowns will not rid them of this virus?

    I know this is the majority view here, but as the NZ experience showed, lockdown and closing borders did work and it was only when they reopened borders, as mentioned earlier in this thread, that they've got this problem again.


    The whole world needs to go into lockdown, not at different times, but all at exactly the same time.

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  • But as we have seen with all the crowded beaches and pubs, masses of people either do not care about the virus spreading or are ignorant about its dangers to elderly and vulnerable people. Those same people will eventually come into contact with an elderly grandparent and spread the virus to them. We either have complete lockdown or not, I don't see how the government's new idea of letting under 40s do want they want while protecting the over 60s will work. And what happens to those between 40 and 60, like me?

    So we go into a complete lock down with 90% of the population having no immunity to the virus. Guess what, when we come out of the lock down we still have 90% of the population without any immunity. Lock downs just delay the inevitable, and nothing more.

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  • I know this is the majority view here, but as the NZ experience showed, lockdown and closing borders did work and it was only when they reopened borders, as mentioned earlier in this thread, that they've got this problem again.


    The whole world needs to go into lockdown, not at different times, but all at exactly the same time.

    It won't work, Horizon, and people won't stand for it anyway.


    Good luck with getting every country to agree to a co-ordinated lockdown!


    I wonder what our Kim would demand in return for his co-operation, which he would then snatch and do something completely different?

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  • That's another misconception. There is no evidence that immunity works and even it does for how long. The reality is that it's going to be an ongoing problem for many years because it's impossible for the world to come to an agreement and every country do the same thing. The simple thing to do would be to close our borders properly and that includes stopping the illegal immigrants coming across. There should be nobody leaving accept for one way tickets and nobody coming in no matter what apart from the essential cargo planes.


    We have the advantage that we are an Island so lets make use of it. If it means that airlines go bust then so be it. If means that 1000's of workers in the airports and airlines lose their jobs then so be it. They can join everyone else that has lost their job. We can't have one rule for one and different rule for another. Maybe once this is all over the airlines can build their business back up. The f***ing environment will benefit from it too. But oh no they would rather people go on holiday and then self quarantine and of course they wont so they want neighbours to then grass on their neighbours and create even more divide, hatred and fighting amongst individuals.


    And as for all the people losing their jobs the government are going to have to come up with a universal credit type system not like the benefit system they have now, a serious one which folk can afford to survive on comfortably. It's going to happen sooner or later anyway because of automation. It's either they pay folk to not work or their kill them off so they don't have to pay them, which is most likely what they are trying do in backwards kind of way. Maybe that's what COVID is all about. We're officially in a recession now.


    The gov are not stupid they know automation, robotics and computers etc are taking jobs away so many will end up without a job anyway. The high streets are dead. It wont be long before there is self driving vehicles or drones doing deliveries. Drones can be controlled by software and GPS. The same will happen with trains and buses. All self automated. Even the medical industry is becoming automated. We're seeing tasters of it it now with online medical assessments. How long before drug stores turn into a hole in the wall vending machine. Pubs may end up like that. No bar staff, just a bunch of vending machines with facial recognition to get you ID (age) and a bunch of tables. Hospital theatres are half robotic already, doctors don't want to see patients and it's done online. Remove the doctor and replace with an app, a virtual doctor. Google just needs to collect more data from FitBit, Apple watch and fitness apps etc so they can build on the online doctor more along with AI.


    Even the supermarkets will be gone as we know them. There will be more home deliveries from hubs run by robots and food sent out by automated vehicles and drones. Then we will have Amazon type stores with no staff. Walk in grab what you want and it automatically deducts payment from your phone or chip implant as you walk out. This is the future so what are we going to do with all the unemployed. It's going to be a big problem for governments when they have to pay so many people. What are the choices, kill a large majority of the people off, or maybe abolish the financial system and come up with something else.


    Your so called economy is dead anyway and the super rich are grabbing as much as they can while they can and it's f***k everyone else. Maybe they will use the money so they can pay for a flight to Elysium Mars while the rest of us fight the Terminator. Luckily we will be dead by that stage but our children and / or grandchildren might not. Science fiction or predictive TV has a habit of becoming reality.

  • I understand your pain, Norra, but we all know that's not going to happen!


    We must let nature take its course. Let's just try to keep the death toll down by protecting at risk groups. That, I'm afraid, is the best we can do. If we had done that in the first place, it would be all over by now and facemasks, social distancing and so on would not be necessary.


    I'm afraid that all we have done is to drag this out. We need to learn from our mistakes, and get real. Let's get this over and done with.

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  • Blimey. A lot of them don't look like they need to get more tanned.;)

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  • If our covid rate is greater than Greece (for example) why would it be advantageous stopping Greek people coming here. Surely stopping people visiting relatives in places like Leicester and Luton would do more to stop the spread. The scientists are as certain as they can be that the vast amount of people who get covid will be immune for several years. Of course, there will be a few exceptions. Locking people away is pointless, because as soon as we come out the virus will just spread again. We are better off just getting on with life, the fittest will survive and the old and weak may snuff it. The population growth is so great, any deaths are replenished over night.


    As far as your plans to give people more benefits, I would far rather go the opposite way. We are light years away from the mechanisation to speak of, so don't lose any sleep.

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  • I understand your pain, Norra, but we all know that's not going to happen!


    We must let nature take its course. Let's just try to keep the death toll down by protecting at risk groups. That, I'm afraid, is the best we can do. If we had done that in the first place, it would be all over by now and facemasks, social distancing and so on would not be necessary.


    I'm afraid that all we have done is to drag this out. We need to learn from our mistakes, and get real. Let's get this over and done with.

    I'm with you, but we all know the government have to be seen to be attempting to save lives. The world population is far to big and this is natures futile attempt to reduce it. Unfortunately we breed at a far greater rate than covid can keep up with. From a practical view point the country needs to get rid of some old people, not to mention the ones that are costing the tax payer a fortune, so every cloud does have a silver lining I suppose. The Spanish flu eventually went away by it's self, and this will do the same. If you believe the Russians a vaccine is on the way, but I am sceptical to say the least.

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