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  • Excuse me for asking but why is it NOT one single person of normal routine use of the internet is saying ....... "hey, my Mum, Dad, Sister, cousin, Uncle, best friends sister etc etc etc has Corona and dropped like a fly"!!!!???? Not anywhere, not on Facebook, forums, whatever???

    What about a Nurse? when off duty using internet... what are they saying?

    Everyone is saying... "I cant get Toilet Rolls" not one has said - "I feel so sad my Mum has died from CV19"???? Beware gross error!!!

    My brother just called me from our local hospital , he is there with my mum who is having dialysis, she goes three times a week. Two beds away from my mum in a sectioned off bit is a A&E nurse who fell ill a few days ago. It's been confirmed she has the virus and is now fighting for her life and now needs dialysis. She was perfectly fit a few days ago. The same staff who will attend to this sick nurse, will attend to my mum too.

    That's as close as I want the virus to get to my family.:(

  • Where are these money trees that are fruiting with all this dosh?

    The printing press silly or in this day and age add a couple of zero's on the keyboard or move a couple of decimal points around.

    would you call the police??

    Absolutely not. A grass is the lowest of the lowest and in the same corner as a pedo and deserves the same treatment. I almost decapitated someone with a shovel once for grassing me up to the old bill when I was teenager. It was only that he ducked that it missed his neck as it swooped across the top of his hair full swing. I never saw him again after that.

  • The printing press silly or in this day and age add a couple of zero's on the keyboard or move a couple of decimal points around.

    Absolutely not. A grass is the lowest of the lowest and in the same corner as a pedo and deserves the same treatment. I almost decapitated someone with a shovel once for grassing me up to the old bill when I was teenager. It was only that he ducked that it missed his neck as it swooped across the top of his hair full swing. I never saw him again after that.

    We have a ghastly man living across the road with his sister, both retired. He has something medically wrong in that sometimes his head is fixed at 90 degrees to his body

    He persuaded the Council to paint a white bridge line where his path hits the road and should anyone dare to park with a part of a wheel on this line he will call the police and they attend

    A neighbour parked his van on this line to change a tyre and all hell broke lose including this awful man berating him and his mother about their brother/son who died of cancer. He also slagged off one of the nicest families you could ever meet for "lowering the tone of the street" when they moved in

    I have no doubt he is sitting in his front room clocking who goes out and when, and he would call the police if he thought someone was breaking the new laws

  • The printing press silly or in this day and age add a couple of zero's on the keyboard or move a couple of decimal points around.

    Absolutely not. A grass is the lowest of the lowest and in the same corner as a pedo and deserves the same treatment. I almost decapitated someone with a shovel once for grassing me up to the old bill when I was teenager. It was only that he ducked that it missed his neck as it swooped across the top of his hair full swing. I never saw him again after that.

    I am beginning to like you even more than I already do.

  • Worried...... here's Lassie.......

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  • Our waffle government is ramping up the waffle excuses

    Gove at News Conference yesterday and Genryk all over TV this morning telling us in response to questions about lack of PPE for NHS staff and lack of virus testing - we have adequate stocks of equipment and we're ramping up deliveries and tests

    Germany has been testing massively their population, hence their low death rate, whilst we have been erm talking about ramping it up

    ITV News are showing a clip of Acton tube station with crowds piling into a train and ignoring the stay at home instruction or if out keep 2ms apart. At the same time the police are using drones to monitor people on the Derbyshire moors. Confused? Is it any wonder

  • Meantime

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  • 'They were complacent': Coronavirus testing shambles spirals as government blames global chemical shortage for dismal numbers - but industry insists there IS enough as top labs say offers of help have been 'snubbed'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8…l-shortage.html

    This government blames everybody but themselves

    I pray that when the new Labour Leader is revealed this week it will be Keir Starmer who will take them back to the centre and forget this hard socialist/communist agenda and start kicking the shit out of this incompetent shower

  • "DAILY MAIL COMMENT: This testing shambles is unforgivable. When will ministers act?"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article…isters-act.html

    Interesting idea in the link for the government to bring in an experienced figurehead to start kicking butts and get some action as Beaverbrook did for Churchill during WW2

    They suggest Jeremy Hunt but I can't see Johnson going with him. Who is a dynamic figure of note -Sugar?


  • 'They were complacent': Coronavirus testing shambles spirals as government blames global chemical shortage for dismal numbers - but industry insists there IS enough as top labs say offers of help have been 'snubbed'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8…l-shortage.html

    This government blames everybody but themselves

    I pray that when the new Labour Leader is revealed this week it will be Keir Starmer who will take them back to the centre and forget this hard socialist/communist agenda and start kicking the shit out of this incompetent shower

    Indeed. Let us go back to centrist politics!

  • It'll be interesting to see if the infection trajectory is significantly different. One thing highlighted in the article is that Swedes leave home to set up on their own at significantly younger ages than the rest of Europe and that Italians tend to live together as family over several generations. Perhaps this explains why Italy is in such trouble.

  • It'll be interesting to see if the infection trajectory is significantly different. One thing highlighted in the article is that Swedes leave home to set up on their own at significantly younger ages than the rest of Europe and that Italians tend to live together as family over several generations. Perhaps this explains why Italy is in such trouble.

    The Swedish people are not happy with their governments lack of action

    Your theory about Italian family group living together could also apply to many Asian families, notably Indian and Pakistani

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52111640

    The Range is on the same page, they have acquired Iceland outlets in their stores so they can keep open

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52114476

    This is so sad, this poor boy died alone - no family allowed near him

    He must have been terrified :(

  • I'm tired of trying to analyse misinformation or propaganda and I'm having difficulty distinguishing beween NHS's unquestionably heroic whistle blowers and egocentric publicity seeking whingers.

    Of the nationalised uniformed section of the British population, only the armed forces have the self-respect [sense of discipline and strength of character] to realise that whistle blowing or complaining publicly crosses a fine dividing line, to become viewed as incessant whingeing, which is surely the very opposite of heroism.

    Even when sent into a battlefield ludicrously under equipped, to a deadly Dad's Army extent, soldiers' complaints and grievances are calm and factual, and it is that kind of heroically stoic calmness which dramatises their plight and the deplorable failure and callous irresponsibility of their masters. In that scenario public outrage doesn’t need to be manufactured or whipped up by the media.

    The NHS is let down by too many personal publicity seekers who simply don’t have enough of “The Right Stuff”. When the sentimentally-indulgent, ever-permissive, touchy-feely public is persuaded to open their doors or windows in perfect concert at a prearranged time to applaud the NHS, we are fuelling the NHS’s nationalized egocentricity to a level which sticks in my craw. It's one thing to be a hero but quite another to keep promoting oneself in that [pseudo-innocent] way.

    Does anyone really and truly imagine that the Government couldn't care less if NHS staff are dangerously under-equipped? Most of the government means well, even if it is for egocentric or careerist reasons. But there is a deplorable gap between meaning well and doing well. This gap reflects a typically English trait which is part of our national DNA and largely incurable. It reveals itself as analysing to distraction, destruction and even death, where initiative is smothered by the mindless mantra that “rules are rules”. Such ossification has spawned a top-heavy organisation chart of departments and job functions which become the very antithesis of “getting things done”. It’s a problem with most governments but post-war Britain has taken it to new depths. And media and forums lap up this data pollution.

    In a perverse way the media encourages this, to a heightened degree in national emergencies, splitting into two segments: [1] media with a near insatiable appetite for facts and figures, with which they can barely get to mental grips but are nonetheless served to the equally innumerate public as distracting calming fodder and [2] media looking for statistical or factual nuggets that can be sensationalized [knowingly or unwittingly putting into practice the contents of that famous book by Darrel Huff “How to lie with statistics” which, in turn, subdivides into [i] a Goebbel-like propaganda service that is an extension of the estate agent mentality of the government in power or [ii] is skewed by political bias which is often laughably obvious.

    Perhaps the bottom line of my cynical observations is that the government not only represents the public but is also representational of the public, warts 'n all. So the government, on the one hand, dare not reveal that it is winning the war against cov 19 lest the isolating public loosen the reins of its self-restraint but, on the other hand, dare not reveal that the worse is yet to come, lest the public lose trust and confidence in the government and rebel against the current restrictions, leading to civic unrest and riots. Faced by the twin horns of this dilemma is it any wonder that the information which government peddles to the media is first of all manufactured or orchestrated into an ersatz package prior to public consumption? 


  • 'They were complacent': Coronavirus testing shambles spirals as government blames global chemical shortage for dismal numbers - but industry insists there IS enough as top labs say offers of help have been 'snubbed'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8…l-shortage.html

    This government blames everybody but themselves

    I pray that when the new Labour Leader is revealed this week it will be Keir Starmer who will take them back to the centre and forget this hard socialist/communist agenda and start kicking the shit out of this incompetent shower

    I agree. The fundamental strength of our democracy stems from a strong opposition. When a party is elected into government they have their remit, they hold the keys. Real power comes form holding them to account - bedroom tax et.al.

    You have stated ... take them back to the centre.... yes. This is totally different to the silly , nutty extreme left and Momentum.

  • THE risk coronavirus posed to the UK was labelled "moderate" only five weeks ago by leading scientists.

    Experts on a government committee did not think there needed to be a higher level of risk just over a month before the deadly virus infected tens of thousands of Brits.

    Top scientists, including pandemic modeller Professor Neil Ferguson, met on February 21 and did not raise any objections to the UK's "moderate" threat level, according to The Times.

    Released minutes of the government committee meeting show none of the experts thought Britain's risk level should be escalated, only weeks before Boris Johnson started closing up the country.

    The group - the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) - had access to all of the latest information on the 75,465 confirmed cases in China at the time of the meeting, and the 2,236 recorded deaths.

    Now we know what the advice to the government was at the time and why more draconian measures were delayed.

    ( Times link left in for those who subscribe )

  • What does one do or at least think about our goverment who were invited by the EU to participate in a joint procurement or manufacture of ventilators and didn't respond - and when challenged says they never saw the email or that it went astray.

    And what does one do about a media that okays that explanation?

    And is one prepared to believe that the EU wouldn't follow up with an email or phone call asking "did you get our email?"

    WTF is going on?

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    Extract from Huffington post ....

    A [UK goverment?) spokesperson said: “Owing to an initial communication problem, the UK did not receive an invitation in time to join in four joint procurements in response to the coronavirus pandemic".   

    Does anyone have the faintest idea what that spokesman is talking about? What is this"communication problem". Is it a "Cool Hand Luke" type of communication problem? Does "did not receive an invitation in time" mean it got lost at our end or was there was an accidental delay by the EU in sending it? Was that EU delay no accident? Was it really lost at our end or was it deliberately lost for reasons undisclosed?

    In the absence of any explanation, the accusation and suggestion has been made that in this global emergency Boris should have put his Brexit ideology to one side. Has anyone on this forum got a better explanation of WTF is going on?

    Am I the only one in this forum who finds this a confidence-draining expectation of the shape of things to come in the government's contribution to defeating this pandemic?

  • Now we know what the advice to the government was at the time and why more draconian measures were delayed.

    ( Times link left in for those who subscribe )

    So these "experts" failed to look at what had happened in China and was starting to happen in Italy and Spain

    Same experts who today stand by the hapless minister at the daily news conference spouting out how well we are doing now - just keep isolating and washing your hands

    The bleeding obvious that even idiots to me have been demanding from the start

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