The Great Debate on Immigration

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  • I had to tolerate being in the EU but I never accepted it. The first opportunity I had to change the situation I took it without hesitation. Tolerance is what you do when there is no other option.

    Tolerance about being outside the EU is not something I will do, I have been a Europhobe since the 60s and I ain't gonna change now.There are always other options

  • Tolerance about being outside the EU is not something I will do, I have been a Europhobe since the 60s and I ain't gonna change now.There are always other options

    For example spend the next 27 year’s campaigning for Eurentry referendum. Make sure you word the question carefully so that the stupid voters know what they are voting for...

    Celebrate it, Anticipate it, Yesterday's faded, Nothing can change it, Life's what you make it

  • Ms Patel was all over the TV this morning, flogging her new bill. Hard line Tories will love her and her control policies

    However it will be interesting to see how they feel once the reality bites

    I wonder what she will do when a boat load of women and children are sinking off Dover

    Curious that someone from an immigrant family seems determined to stop any other immigrants coming, typical I'm alright Tory. And a Home Secretary who believe in capital punishment

  • On the face of it, this seems good, but the BBC reporter just mentioned a few other things here:

    • Youth scheme for young people to come and work for a while
    • Students can stay two years after graduation
    • Seasonality scheme ie for fruit pickers

    So, under this scheme we will allow unlimited numbers of "skilled" workers and the definition for skilled seems debated and low skilled workers can still come such as fruit pickers. I'm not sure this is quite the controls we wanted.

    The government has said they will keep reviewing things and will bring in caps if things get out of control, but the system as presented today seems very "loose" to me. Plus, this is merely Part 1, what about the other parts of immigration? Who can become a resident and who can apply for citizenship? Until these parts are known, I see this as a work in progress only and give this new scheme a lukewarm welcome.

  • So, under this scheme we will allow unlimited numbers of "skilled" workers and the definition for skilled seems debated and low skilled workers can still come such as fruit pickers. I'm not sure this is quite the controls we wanted.

    Fruit pickers in the summer, crop pickers in the winter, crop sowers in the Spring

    They are all the same people so what are they being offered, come here and pick some strawberries - go home - reapply to return in the autumn and so on

    Crazy, not properly thought through. Typical rush headline pleasing action

  • Fruit pickers in the summer, crop pickers in the winter, crop sowers in the Spring

    They are all the same people so what are they being offered, come here and pick some strawberries - go home - reapply to return in the autumn and so on

    Crazy, not properly thought through. Typical rush headline pleasing action

    So what about the millions of East European workers who are entitled to stay, will they just disintegrate? Did we not have have spuds and fruit before mass immigration. This all great news, the UK can now control our borders, and we can let in who we need, and when we need them. The vast majority of people have been asking for this for years, I can't believe there is anyone moaning about it. It's nice to have a PM who is attempting to listen to the voters, it makes a bloody change.

    Next up hanging, I HOPE

    The intelligent are being oppressed so the stupid don't get offended

  • So what about the millions of East European workers who are entitled to stay, will they just disintegrate? Did we not have have spuds and fruit before mass immigration. This all great news, the UK can now control our borders, and we can let in who we need, and when we need them. The vast majority of people have been asking for this for years, I can't believe there is anyone moaning about it. It's nice to have a PM who is attempting to listen to the voters, it makes a bloody change.

    Next up hanging, I HOPE

    Any EU citizens who have lived here for more than five years can claim pretty well guaranteed right to stay. Others have to fit the criteria

    I don't agree that the "vast majority have been asking for this for years", cosily wrapped up as immigration it actually meant non white skinned from racist Britain

  • Any EU citizens who have lived here for more than five years can claim pretty well guaranteed right to stay. Others have to fit the criteria

    I don't agree that the "vast majority have been asking for this for years", cosily wrapped up as immigration it actually meant non white skinned from racist Britain

    What a load of rubbish. It may have escaped your notice that most East Europeans are white. In fact, this new immigration doesn't discriminate against black nations, whereas the European one did.

    So you honestly believe the majority of people don't have an issue with mass immigration? I have posted this before, but let's go again. We don't have the housing, and we don't have the space to build many more, if you take the water table , required farming land, and social space into account. We certainly don't have the infrastructure, and the damage mass immigration has done to our culture is dreadful. I am not against all immigration, but immigration should be for the good of the country, not the good of the immigrant !

    The intelligent are being oppressed so the stupid don't get offended

  • What a load of rubbish. It may have escaped your notice that most East Europeans are white. In fact, this new immigration doesn't discriminate against black nations, whereas the European one did.

    I wouldn't mind betting that your average Britain has no idea where Pakistan is, and would probably say that it's part of the EU

  • I wouldn't mind betting that your average Britain has no idea where Pakistan is, and would probably say that it's part of the EU

    It's a shame you have such a low opinion of your fellow Brits !

    The intelligent are being oppressed so the stupid don't get offended

  • I wouldn't mind betting that your average Britain has no idea where Pakistan is, and would probably say that it's part of the EU

    You mistake us for US citizens. :D

    Well it's all kicking off now over this wage level thing. I hope the gov stick to their guns on this one. The argument is saying it's going to affect health care and hospitality etc. Well al those businesses right now rely mostly on labour from those that have come from another country. They can employ more Brits instead, problem solved. Brits don't fall within that wage level and points system so I don't see what the problem is. Then there's the other argument over part time / bank workers workers. Business need to start giving people full time employment instead of spreading one job out amongst multiple workers on low pay with and less employment rights / benefits. It's not like they still can't employ part timers or bank workers if they want. They simply need to be employing Brits.

    In the past I have struggled trying to get a job in those industries and many times I wondered if my name was too English. Now I don't intend to sound racist or anything but how many Non foreign workers do you see mopping the floors or doing tea, coffee rounds on the wards in hospitals. It's the same in carehomes. Maybe not so much in the countryside and very Brit areas but it's certainly true in all the big cities. Try getting a job in an Italian restaurant if your not Italian or a job as a hospital / carehome domestic if your not Nigerian. I'm not sure it's strict enough actually. As it stands it wont affect most people that are already here and employed. It's all well and good preventing more, but what about the standing problem here right now. It's not like the Brits don't wont to work, we can't get the jobs because we are either the wrong nationality or colour. We also wont be walked over and treated like slaves so they will have to up the wages. Take some away form the managers pay packet and give it to those at the the other end of the scale. We always hear about gender pay gap but what about the pay gap between managers and workers. That's even bigger.

    What I have not heard about is the 100 of 1000's of foreigners that come over here to go to college or university as students on a work visa. Many illegally come in taking that route. They even have fake colleges and contacts setup for them to get through passport control. It's like organised crime.

  • Ms Patel was all over the TV this morning, flogging her new bill. Hard line Tories will love her and her control policies

    However it will be interesting to see how they feel once the reality bites

    I wonder what she will do when a boat load of women and children are sinking off Dover

    Curious that someone from an immigrant family seems determined to stop any other immigrants coming, typical I'm alright Tory. And a Home Secretary who believe in capital punishment

    Why do you see problems with sinking boats full of illegal immigrants? As I understand it, the plan is that they would be rescued and shipped back to France.

  • Do you not watch TV quiz shows with contestants garnered from out fellow Brits?

    The type of people on Love Island, and The Only Way Is Essex, are hand picked morons. They are there to appeal to appeal to the lowest common denominator. The type of people socialists and snowflakes love.

    The intelligent are being oppressed so the stupid don't get offended

  • Why do you see problems with sinking boats full of illegal immigrants? As I understand it, the plan is that they would be rescued and shipped back to France.

    You are right old boy. Why should we see the problems of other countries as our own, especially when they have crossed several other countries with the same culture as their own?

    The intelligent are being oppressed so the stupid don't get offended

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