Edit Note from Horizon Feb 18 2020:
Copied Nora's earlier posts about drugs from the sentencing thread here into Bryan's thread, The first paragraph is from bryan, the rest is Norra's. Sorry for messing about Bryan's first post!
Quote from bryanluc
Nora recently posted a strong argument for legalising drugs, an argument I have some sympathy with. I have however personal experience of the damaging effects of drug taking and I don't think I would like them to be more available.
There was a recent biopic on TV about Whitney Houston and when you saw the devastating effect drugs had on her you would want to ban them completely for destroying such talent
I would attack this slightly differently and rather than locking people up for longer I would work more on rehabilitation and help. Terrorists need a separate place rather than a wing in mainstream prisons. A mental hospital type environment, a Prison hospital and education (de radicalization) centres and no reduced sentences. I don't see the point in locking people up for life, it's a waste of money. We should bring back the death penality for some people but there has to be a strict process and guidelines so it really is those proven guilty and have committed mass murder or something. Even a Guantanamo bay type place would a better place to terrorists up, but I mean true terrorists not these new invented ones that fall within that category.
Drug crimes need abolishing apart from those doing the big time dealing and running around with firearms etc. There are many addicts locked up who are the victims, a victim of addiction who should not be in prison. And others, lower down dealers are simply earning a living without harming anyone. You average college drug dealer or neighbour that that does a little on the side to support ones own habit or boost their low income. We need addiction centres for them and if they have committed a crime then a prison type addiction centre. They are ill, not criminals. Drug dealing needs dividing up into serious and those lower down the chain simply earning a living or have a drug habit. That would reduce most burglary's and shoplifting.
The whole system needs reforming into a different kind of system and divided up, tailored if you like for the individual and the type of crime committed. Most don't even deserve to be locked up and are ill, either mentally or other, or are a victim of society and their surroundings, upbringing or whatever. The only crimes where people should be locked up in the current prison type system are those that have committed violent firearms and knife attacks, rape, physical assault, slavery and prostitution, people smuggling and racketeering etc. Wherever serious harm has come to others.
There is nothing wrong with taking drugs we all take drugs whether that is anti depressants, opioids, nicotine, alcohol etc etc. Taking drugs and drug abuse are two separate things. Society is the problem. Legalise all drugs and open up Amsterdam style coffee shops, needle exchanges etc. In Amsterdam they have heroin addicts going to the clinic in the morning getting their fix and then go off to work for the day just like anyone else. Perfectly functioning addicts just like the business man that sits in the pub at lunchtime and has a few pints and then goes home in the evening and drinks a bottle of wine or something. Or maybe he works as a JP and pops out to his chambers for a quick sniffter and then after work put his baby nappy on or gimp mask on and goes to visit his dominatrix prostitute before heading home to the wife. The biggest drug addicts work in London's financial sector. Most in the stock exchange will be on cocaine. I bet there is a fair whack used in the parliament toilets also. It will either be that or a bottle of gin in the desk drawer.
The majority of addicts are either ill and have been prescribed them or they are taking drugs recreationally. Not everyone is homeless and addicted to smack and having to go and do a burglary or shoplift to feed their habit and bring some comfort to being homeless. Most would welcome prison as it's a roof over your head and some food. If they are lucky they may even get some drug treatment or may put themselves in to go cold turkey accept there are an abundance of drugs inside.
Legalize all drugs is what I say and sell and supply clean drugs. The tax from it could help pay to fix other issues in society and removes the criminal element. There's skunk out there that has glass silicates sprayed on to it while growing to gain weight FFS and people renting homes and hacking the electricity supply to feed grow rooms which affects the rest of us as costs go up. The drug problem is one of the easier things to deal with. Nobody has the right to tell others what they can and can't do to their own body. A life of crime is not always an easy option. It's a competitive market and not only do you have to watch out for the law but you have to watch out for rivals and gangs. Do you think it's easy walking into the wrong postcode and having to watch your back. You may even be forced into carrying a knife or gun because of circumstances. Your delusional if you think it's easy. Those in legit business only have to watch out for rivals and there is less chance of getting stabbed or shot or having your head kicked in. That's the easy option to get a non criminal job if the jobs where there and paid enough for people to be able survive with a reasonable level of comfort.
F**ing knife crime in Britain, that could be abolished overnight. Boom.....gone. Legalize drugs, open coffee shops / drug bars. Most would go and work in those places or in the factories growing weed or pressing pills. Kill two birds with one stone. And not only that there would be huge benefits to be made from the tax. Also open more addiction centres where ex addicts can go and get employment. Open clubs back up so people can go and rave and legally pop a clean Ecstasy pill or whatever rather than forcing it onto the streets and people having to break into premises for an illegal rave or hide behind closed doors. More employment to be made there. Tonnes of clubs have closed down over the last few years which is driving folk into snobby wine bars where cocaine rules and coke can be taken with alcohol easier. The two go hand in hand quite nicely. Most of the City bars and clubs will be full of coke heads in their suits. The work hard and play hard types. If a bar got raided in say Canary Wharf there would be a load of the stuff found but these users are not the main target for enforcement because they all work in high paid jobs.