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  • A little Hitleresque, don't you think?

    No, it would be a quick a painless death. The vast majority of people who get hooked on drugs are a cost to society, and offer nothing. Perhaps if people knew the outcome, then they would think twice before they popped their first pill. Some of the best answers to complex problems are simple ideas.

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  • 5. Fatalities due to impure drugs or variable purity factors would be eliminated. People dying at pop festivals for this reason would be eliminated.

    The only good thing about drug takers is the potential outcome they face. Another reason NOT to legalise drugs

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  • Exactly and not only that but it creates huge employment within the law instead of out. Not everyone is going to want to go and take heroin simply because it can be bought. But supply the medical equivalent as they do now for pain control and it would help many. It not only gets them away from the circles they are in now but they are getting something clean which they can function perfectly well on. You have Heroin addicts in places like Amsterdam that go along to the clinic or centre or whatever you want to call it in the morning, they get supplied clean needles in a clinical and safe environment where they can get their fix and 30 mins later they are off to work for the day. Many fully functioning Heroin addicts about and they don't all walk around totally off their face like some kind of media portrayed dirty drug addict looking for the next house to rob. It's all controlled not so much as way to make profit but to actually help people and give them support to try and reduce the addiction or at least get them away from the criminal environment.

    Then we have the likes of club drugs. Youngsters should be able to buy these in their cleanest form with regulated doses. Have a shop type place inside the clubs just as some other clubs will have a licensed bar. Most pill popping clubbers are not interested in alcohol, that would be a bad combination. Right now many are having to break into an old warehouse or something and organise their own events and their own dealers or it's some old waste land or field somewhere.

    Cocaine is a difficult one to deal with and categorise as it has so many users and is often associated with going out drinking as well as socialising and private parties or even sitting indoors with you partner in front of the TV. It's widespread just like Cannabis. My feeling here is that it should be sold but under some form of control and obviously clean and not mixed with other crap. This drug is the worst out of the lot because not only is it more subtle but is so widespread and brings in big profit margins for the dealers. It easy to mix with other substances to gain more profit and it's easy to hide. All you need is a little vile type thing on a necklace around you neck or something to keep it in and take a little snort like snuff as as when you feel. This drug is more dangerous than Heroin in some ways and certainly more widespread. Not amongst what you would call the druggie world so much but your middle class family and businessmen from bankers, stock exchange, MPs, JP's and chefs and many other businesses. This is a daily toot for many just to get their work done and keep them going as well as to go along with an after work drink down the city cocktail bar or private club.

    All those drugs above should be controlled and made safe as well as handing out education and support. Cannabis quite frankly is the most ridiculous one of the lot as we should simply have cafe's / coffee shop type places. Instead of Opium bars we can have Cannabis bars. Also everyone should legally be allowed to grow up to six plants at home if they so desired. IIRC six is the limit right now and classed as personal instead or supply. This drug should be accessible as alcohol. It can be smoked, vaped, eaten. It will get many away form the evil alcohol environment where they are mixing the now and is causing problems. We need to pull them away from the pub/bar type environments where they end up fighting in the streets and all kinds of other chaotic and anti social behaviour. Give people an alcohol free environment they can socialise in. Why are we so intent in trying to turn everyone towards alcohol, the most dangerous drug in the world and causes more problems than all the others put together, minus the criminal aspect.

  • Exactly and not only that but it creates huge employment within the law instead of out. Not everyone is going to want to go and take heroin simply because it can be bought. But supply the medical equivalent as they do now for pain control and it would help many. It not only gets them away from the circles they are in now but they are getting something clean which they can function perfectly well on. You have Heroin addicts in places like Amsterdam that go along to the clinic or centre or whatever you want to call it in the morning, they get supplied clean needles in a clinical and safe environment where they can get their fix and 30 mins later they are off to work for the day. Many fully functioning Heroin addicts about and they don't all walk around totally off their face like some kind of media portrayed dirty drug addict looking for the next house to rob. It's all controlled not so much as way to make profit but to actually help people and give them support to try and reduce the addiction or at least get them away from the criminal environment.

    Then we have the likes of club drugs. Youngsters should be able to buy these in their cleanest form with regulated doses. Have a shop type place inside the clubs just as some other clubs will have a licensed bar. Most pill popping clubbers are not interested in alcohol, that would be a bad combination. Right now many are having to break into an old warehouse or something and organise their own events and their own dealers or it's some old waste land or field somewhere.

    Cocaine is a difficult one to deal with and categorise as it has so many users and is often associated with going out drinking as well as socialising and private parties or even sitting indoors with you partner in front of the TV. It's widespread just like Cannabis. My feeling here is that it should be sold but under some form of control and obviously clean and not mixed with other crap. This drug is the worst out of the lot because not only is it more subtle but is so widespread and brings in big profit margins for the dealers. It easy to mix with other substances to gain more profit and it's easy to hide. All you need is a little vile type thing on a necklace around you neck or something to keep it in and take a little snort like snuff as as when you feel. This drug is more dangerous than Heroin in some ways and certainly more widespread. Not amongst what you would call the druggie world so much but your middle class family and businessmen from bankers, stock exchange, MPs, JP's and chefs and many other businesses. This is a daily toot for many just to get their work done and keep them going as well as to go along with an after work drink down the city cocktail bar or private club.

    All those drugs above should be controlled and made safe as well as handing out education and support. Cannabis quite frankly is the most ridiculous one of the lot as we should simply have cafe's / coffee shop type places. Instead of Opium bars we can have Cannabis bars. Also everyone should legally be allowed to grow up to six plants at home if they so desired. IIRC six is the limit right now and classed as personal instead or supply. This drug should be accessible as alcohol. It can be smoked, vaped, eaten. It will get many away form the evil alcohol environment where they are mixing the now and is causing problems. We need to pull them away from the pub/bar type environments where they end up fighting in the streets and all kinds of other chaotic and anti social behaviour. Give people an alcohol free environment they can socialise in. Why are we so intent in trying to turn everyone towards alcohol, the most dangerous drug in the world and causes more problems than all the others put together, minus the criminal aspect.

    Question. If cigarettes were not legal, would more or less people smoke. Please, just yes or no

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  • No, it would be a quick a painless death. The vast majority of people who get hooked on drugs are a cost to society, and offer nothing. Perhaps if people knew the outcome, then they would think twice before they popped their first pill. Some of the best answers to complex problems are simple ideas.

    I can just imagine the political debate if any party added this idea to their manifesto! I'm afraid that this idea will not fly!

  • Question. If cigarettes were not legal, would more or less people smoke. Please, just yes or no

    Yes or no will not provide an answer to your question. Think about it. What are you on??!;)

    The answer is that smoking would just go underground. Prohibition did not prevent those wanting a drink from drinking. It won't prevent those who like smoking from smoking.

    We need to learn from experience. Your way of dealing with this is understandable, but it is completely ineffective.

  • Yes or no will not provide an answer to your question. Think about it. What are you on??!;)

    The answer is that smoking would just go underground. Prohibition did not prevent those wanting a drink from drinking. It won't prevent those who like smoking from smoking.

    We need to learn from experience. Your way of dealing with this is understandable, but it is completely ineffective.

    You didn't answer my question because you know it would prove you wrong. Whether or not it was driven underground, less people would smoke. The same can be said for drugs. Whilst we have a problem, legalising them would just send out the message it's OK to take drugs. As a result more people would take drugs, and the problem would escalate. Yes, the drugs would be more pure, and yes the government would get some tax. Believing the drugs barons would not exist is naive, they would just be undercutting the legitimate suppliers. Very few people I know pay the full price for fags, and I can't see it being different with drugs.

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  • Norra's posts are now copied into the first post of this thread.

    I would attack this slightly differently and rather than locking people up for longer I would work more on rehabilitation and help.

    I agree, to a point.

    Drug crimes need abolishing apart from those doing the big time dealing and running around with firearms etc. There are many addicts locked up who are the victims, a victim of addiction who should not be in prison. And others, lower down dealers are simply earning a living without harming anyone. You average college drug dealer or neighbour that that does a little on the side to support ones own habit or boost their low income. We need addiction centres for them and if they have committed a crime then a prison type addiction centre. They are ill, not criminals. Drug dealing needs dividing up into serious and those lower down the chain simply earning a living or have a drug habit. That would reduce most burglary's and shoplifting.

    Okay, lots to get into there. One of the original threads I posted on this site was this: Are muderers evil or ill? and Nora is basically saying that drugs crime should be treated as a illness. My reply to that is that addiction should be treated as a illness, but not the actual drugs crimes.

    I agree about the addiction centres/prisons, but if a drugs addict robs someone on the street or burgles a home (I have personal experience of this, it can leave long term consequences for the victims) that is still a crime and the addict must be punished for committing that crime, but then receive treatment for the addiction.

    But a question I would pose straight away, is, what if the treatment doesn't work? Then what do you do with the addicts?

    The problem with having different tiers here, is one tier can easily bleed (literally...) into another. A minor criminal can quickly turn into a major one.

    More replies coming later.

  • You didn't answer my question because you know it would prove you wrong. Whether or not it was driven underground, less people would smoke. The same can be said for drugs. Whilst we have a problem, legalising them would just send out the message it's OK to take drugs. As a result more people would take drugs, and the problem would escalate. Yes, the drugs would be more pure, and yes the government would get some tax. Believing the drugs barons would not exist is naive, they would just be undercutting the legitimate suppliers. Very few people I know pay the full price for fags, and I can't see it being different with drugs.

    If you read my post, I did answer your question (second paragraph).

    I have no idea why you think less people would smoke if it was to become unlawful. Experience tells me that this is a false assumption.

    Incidentally, if we executed drug takers, you do realise that we would have killed off all members of The Beatles and The Rolling Stones and countless other much loved personalities long ago. I can't see your solution being very popular with the public! You would be hunted down! :huh:

  • There is nothing wrong with taking drugs we all take drugs whether that is anti depressants, opioids, nicotine, alcohol etc etc. Taking drugs and drug abuse are two separate things.

    Agree, to a point. But injecting heroine or sniffing cocaine is not the same as drinking a pint of beer or having a quick fag.


    Society is the problem.

    Disagree.

    Why I am the problem for an addict?

  • Legalise all drugs and open up Amsterdam style coffee shops, needle exchanges etc. In Amsterdam they have heroin addicts going to the clinic in the morning getting their fix and then go off to work for the day just like anyone else. Perfectly functioning addicts just like the business man that sits in the pub at lunchtime and has a few pints and then goes home in the evening and drinks a bottle of wine or something. Or maybe he works as a JP and pops out to his chambers for a quick sniffter and then after work put his baby nappy on or gimp mask on and goes to visit his dominatrix prostitute before heading home to the wife. The biggest drug addicts work in London's financial sector. Most in the stock exchange will be on cocaine. I bet there is a fair whack used in the parliament toilets also. It will either be that or a bottle of gin in the desk drawer.

    Can you buy crack in a coffee shop? If you can, I am wholly against that.

    What I think you may be talking about and correct me if I am wrong, is taking the market away from criminals and giving addicts a legal way to access their fix. This is in controlled circumstances and under supervision and that is very different to legalising drugs and being able to take them in coffee shops or buy them in Tescos. I am wholly against that. Addicts should be able to go to a treatment centre and get their fix from there, but the whole aim of this, is, to wheen them off the drugs eventually. And this goes back to my point about what happens if the treatment doesn't work, then what happens?

    I have no medical qualifications, but I think your point about someone being "perfectly functional" and taking drugs, especially class A drugs, is something which is debatable.

    Many high flyers in the City, politics and media are on drugs, but does anyone know what their lives are like after taking these drugs for a very long time? I doubt very much they would be called "functioning" at this point, especially if taking cocaine and/or heroin.

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51658951

    If this is the case they might as well be legalised providing revenue for the Exchequer

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51658951

    If this is the case they might as well be legalised providing revenue for the Exchequer

    Yeah, let's encourage people to take hard drugs That is so responsible, and sends out a great message. Let's go the whole hog, and make them free at the point of collection. Fed up with work, and life in general, pop down to your local chemist and pick up some heroin. When your to ill to get up in the mornings, give up work and move into one of the millions of social houses you want built. In fact, let's just legalise everything, because that way we can cut back on policing even further.

    Alternatively, we could put users in solitary confinement for a year whilst they kick the habit, and execute the dealers. That would almost certainly work, but we don't want to take away any of their human rights, do we ?

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    Edited once, last by Bibbles (February 27, 2020 at 6:02 PM).

  • Question. If cigarettes were not legal, would more or less people smoke. Please, just yes or no

    Irrelevant, nothing to do with the legality

    The question should be if they were even more expensive than they are now. Less would smoke then

  • Yeah, let's encourage people to take hard drugs That is so responsible, and sends out a great message. Let's go the whole hog, and make them free at the point of collection. Fed up with work, and life in general, pop down to your local chemist and pick up some heroin. When your to ill to get up in the mornings, give up work and move into one of the millions of social houses you want built. In fact, let's just legalise everything, because that way we can cut back on policing even further.

    Alternatively, we could put users in solitary confinement for a year whilst they kick the habit, and execute the dealers. That would almost certainly work, but we don't want to take away any of their human rights, do we ?

    Alcohol isn't free. Cigarettes are not free. Nobody (except you now ;)) is suggesting that drugs should be free.

    I share your concerns about people on hard drugs, but unfortunately, the way you suggest to accomplish that doesn't work, and that is why we need to try something new.

    Legalise them and you will:

    - Close down the illegal drugs trade immediately;

    - Reduce the price of drugs, thus dealing with the high levels of petty thefts and burglary overnight;

    - Reduce encouragement to take drugs by the pushers in the first place;

    - Assist potential users to understand the dangers of drug use;

    - Help drug users to kick the habit rather than encourage them on to more dangerous drugs;

    - Provide medical support and advice to persistent users, helping to reduce deaths;

    - Regulate the content of drugs and ensure dosage consistency, preventing additional serious health problems and deaths;

    - Increase revenues to the government through taxation of drugs.

    There are no benefits to continuing to apply the existing system, and increased sentences do not seem to deter drug users. 'Do nothing' is not an option.

    Is there a third alternative? Not that I have heard, to be honest.

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