50 "Jamaican" criminals to be deported

  • You and the rest of Forum members still haven't yet learnt what is the point of law which justifies deportation of these Caribbeans from what was British colonies

    But does the Act that you cited actually apply to these individuals? It got superseded by another one in 1982 which is a very different kettle of fish.

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  • But does the Act that you cited actually apply to these individuals? It got superseded by another one in 1982 which is a very different kettle of fish.

    The British Nationality Act 1948 made citizens of Commonwealth countries citizens of the UK and Colonies. The Immigration Act 1971 changed the law to grant only temporary residence to most new arrivals, but still allowed people who'd arrived before 1973 to remain in the UK indefinitely

    You cannot give people rights one minute then take them away subsequently. This would mean that EU citizens who have now been given the right to remain could one day be deported

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  • Ah, I wasn't aware of the '73 Act. Damn. They've got a case against the government.

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  • Ah, I wasn't aware of the '73 Act. Damn. They've got a case against the government.

    In which case, what was the judge's reason for okaying deportation?


    Has anyone tried to find out the legal reason for finding for the government?

  • But does Bryanluc have a point? They're not foreigners if the British Nationality Act 1948 (which addresses the question of those from British colonies) gave them the status and right to settle in the UK. There is nothing in this Act which suggests that committing a crime in the UK invalidates that status and right. (I gather that the official application by these wretched souls for "right tor settle in the UK" was not mandatory or explicit and therefore that cannot be a get-out clause for this UK government to deport then. But there must have been some legal basis that permitted the judge to decide they were deportable without further ado. After all, the only exception, as far as I can tell, which is just a delay, is that an out-of-order mobile phone telephone mast prevented some of the deportees from obtaining last minute legal advice as to whether they had any legal right to resist deportation. Does anyone on this forum have any other explanation for letting some of the deportees stay here awhile longer? My understanding is that it will merely delay by a day or two the deportation of the remainder who couldn't get access to last-minute legal advice? My fear is that UK Law will make such a meal of all this that the delayed deportees could live happily-ever-after in Bonkers Britain, on free legal aid, free housing, free family benefits and free unemployment benefits.

    That's my fear to, but in reply to your original question, bryan might have a point if the Act applies, but unless there is a lawyer here, we won't know. And we need to know the following:


    The British Nationality Act 1948 made citizens of Commonwealth countries citizens of the UK and Colonies. The Immigration Act 1971 changed the law to grant only temporary residence to most new arrivals, but still allowed people who'd arrived before 1973 to remain in the UK indefinitely

    These scumbags aren't part of the Windrush generation, but later waves of migrants and so it all depends on when they came to the UK. If they came after '73, they've got no case against the government and we can be rid of them.


    In which case, what was the judge's reason for okaying deportation?


    Has anyone tried to find out the legal reason for finding for the government?

    I assume it's because they arrived after '73 and so the law doesn't apply to them.

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  • Ah, I wasn't aware of the '73 Act. Damn. They've got a case against the government.

    I withdrawal this comment, for reasons I've explained above.

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  • These scumbags aren't part of the Windrush generation, but later waves of migrants and so it all depends on when they came to the UK. If they came after '73, they've got no case against the government and we can be rid of them.

    I think from memory they are the children or dependants of the original Windrush immigrants

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  • My first post in this thread suggested that this didn't feel right and I am a huge fan of kicking out foreign criminals after they have completed their full sentences.


    My thought was that these people could not possibly anything other than British especially those that had been here for decades and the most probably over zealous, inexperienced and ideologically driven politicians were making a clusterf**k out of this.


    I stick by my original assertion that I support deportation but these people like it or not are British now if they are anything at all. If we are going to boot out British Citizens then lets start with the Child Grooming Gangs. I doubt that will get people quite so upset.

  • I think from memory they are the children or dependants of the original Windrush immigrants

    If they came here in the 70s, then they're not children of the Windrush generation.

    My first post in this thread suggested that this didn't feel right and I am a huge fan of kicking out foreign criminals after they have completed their full sentences.


    My thought was that these people could not possibly anything other than British especially those that had been here for decades and the most probably over zealous, inexperienced and ideologically driven politicians were making a clusterf**k out of this.


    I stick by my original assertion that I support deportation but these people like it or not are British now if they are anything at all. If we are going to boot out British Citizens then lets start with the Child Grooming Gangs. I doubt that will get people quite so upset.

    I don't care, if by a legal loophole or omission, they are considered British. They are of foreign origin and criminal, they should all go.


    We have enough of our own scum, we don't need other people's.

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  • If they came here in the 70s, then they're not children of the Windrush generation.

    I don't care, if by a legal loophole or omission, they are considered British. They are of foreign original and criminal, they should all go.


    We have enough of our own scum, we don't need other people's.

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    I read through this - produced by a legal group on the side of those who are facing deportation - so if they can't help, then what's left to do?


    If I was one those poor bastards and my convicted crime was mild and it was obvious I was no danger to the public, I'd either ........


    - Kill myself


    - Go into hiding in the UK (and probably have to resort to petty crime to survive)


    - Return to the Caribbean in spite of all that's bad and threatening there


    It seems the home office holds the ace of trumps, which is that if they think the poor bastard who was granted right to abode/settle in the UK is someone whose "deportation is in the British public interest", then that's all it takes.


    Except for any carelessness by immigration or home office, the judge cannot offer any legal peg that will justify cancelling or delaying the deportation order


    This country has so many rules, regulations, acts, laws, codicils, amendments, updates that there is barely a hope in hell that an individual can contest the force and resource of a government decision based on the so-called legal process.


    The ghost of Theresa May lingers in the soul of the Government generally and civil servants, judges and lawyers specifically


    The individual versus the state is no contest


    I doubt whether Labour in power would be any different


    Being more humane than China is hardly a yardstick for UK self-congratulation


    I think all this is at least if no more true in the US as in the UK