Will Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol get triggered?

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  • Maybe we should stop providing Southern Ireland our military air and navel support as defence. Let some EU country do that for them. We only do it to suit ourselves as it's land close to our borders and also there's the Noth Atlantic communications cable, including internet that crosses from the West coast of S Ireland to the US. Things could get very interesting if France for example stood in on behalf of the EU to provide a QRA over S Ireland instead

    The republic is a neutral country, as you say any military assistance is carried for mutual benefit so why would we stop ?

    You have a very weird world view

  • It matters not who is PM the EU will be as awkward as they can, they don't want a solution to the NI Border problem

    It suits the EU to have Southern Ireland at loggerheads with the UK. The EU is hell bent in making life difficult for those of us in the UK. All because we didn't like their corrupt and interfering political organisation and left. They're still in the huff. ;)

  • It suits the EU to have Southern Ireland at loggerheads with the UK. The EU is hell bent in making life difficult for those of us in the UK. All because we didn't like their corrupt and interfering political organisation and left. They're still in the huff. ;)

    The question of a customs border in Ireland was raised before the referendum, there was no satisfactory answer then & there still isn’t .

    Clearly by supporting Brexit against the majority in NI the DUP we’re trying to scupper the Good Friday agreement.

    The agreement was always a fudge which allowed people to identify as Irish or British all made possible by EU membership.

  • The question of a customs border in Ireland was raised before the referendum, there was no satisfactory answer then & there still isn’t .

    Clearly by supporting Brexit against the majority in NI the DUP we’re trying to scupper the Good Friday agreement.

    The agreement was always a fudge which allowed people to identify as Irish or British all made possible by EU membership.

    There are answers, Truebrit, but the EU won’t have any of it. They want the British to pay for leaving the EU so that other countries think twice before doing the same.


    Trusted trader schemes, bar code labelling and a separation of goods bound for the UK and those bound for the south are some of the solutions we have put forward. But no, the EU continues to demand reams and reams of paperwork for every consignment, and some of the paperwork is rejected if completed with the wrong colour ink. How you can continue to defend these EU wreckers is a mystery to me.


    Too much has been made of the border issue and the peace process. We are talking about checking goods, not people, who would still be able to move freely between north and south if land border checks were introduced.

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  • There are answers, Truebrit, but the EU won’t have any of it. They want the British to pay for leaving the EU so that other countries think twice before doing the same.


    Trusted trader schemes, bar code labelling and a separation of goods bound for the UK and those bound for the south are some of the solutions we have put forward. But no, the EU continues to demand reams and reams of paperwork for every consignment, and some of the paperwork is rejected if completed with the wrong colour ink. How you can continue to defend these EU wreckers is a mystery to me.


    Too much has been made of the border issue and the peace process. We are talking about checking goods, not people, who would still be able to move freely between north and south if land border checks were introduced.

    Brexit is a fiasco , Even the Front National in France whilst critical of the EU are not in favour of leaving.

    Remember the nonsense about “holding all the cards “ during the negotiations?

    Frost now admits that the UK were pretty much given an ultimatum

    The right wing of the tories are still blaming the EU for all our problems

    We left & in doing so seriously weakened our negotiating position in Europe & on the world stage.

    There is view by some on this site which smacks of British exceptionalism

    Whatever the rights & wrongs Britannia no longer rules the waves

    Given a PM who can negotiate in good faith many of the issues can be resolved but like any negotiation you have to give something to gain something

  • Brexit is certainly not a fiasco - continuing to belong to the EU certainly was. Who cares what the fascist French parties want?


    The deal we negotiated with the EU was far from perfect, but we had to accept it because the remainers were doing their best to wreck the whole idea, completely ignoring what the electorate voted for. Their behaviour was shameful, and when I think back to the shambles they created in the House of Commons, and how they worked with the EU to sabotage the whole operation, I am so ashamed of this seditious behaviour by these establishment militants.


    But now that we are out of the EU, we can start to rectify some of the mess that was created due to the remainers. They were the ones who forced BJ’s hand, and he now needs to get on top of it.


    Under the EU, immigration was not being controlled and our ability to maximise the opportunities of trading with the rest of the world were being stunted. Our real genius in this country is services, our biggest revenue earner, but time and again, the EU refused to include services as part of any trade deals being negotiated. This is just one example of how the EU was a constraint to our wealth-earning capacity.


    The EU bureaucratic machine was also clearly determined to create as many obstacles to business as it could, and the GDPR was just one example of that.


    Brexiteers have always been aware that an adjustment period was required before the benefits of Brexit would be noticeable, so remainers need to get in quick if they want to believe remainer mantra that Brexitis a disaster. They will not get away with that for much longer.


    You can say what you like about Boris. He is achieving things right under your nose and you can’t even see it.

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  • Johnson is not helping matters but EU will stick the boot in no matter what. The EU has a relationship with us like we do the French.

    We’ll see, Norra, we’ll see. Boris is the only one, it seems, that is prepared to stand up to the bullying, bureaucratic EU, and good for him.


    There are too many people who want to advocate surrender. This will not do.

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  • Old boy , you live in a dream world, time will tell with Brexit but if you can’t see the problems with Johnson your really not looking.

    The man is a spiv , if he hadn’t gone to Eaton he’d be selling second hand phones or double glazing.

    Do you really think he has anything but his own interests at heart

    Ask Max Hastings , former Telegraph editor & history writer

    This country cannot move on til Johnson & the freaks in his cabinet have gone

  • The remoaners are trying to put a spanner in the works of the governance of the UK.

    They cannot understand democracy.

    The people's of the UK voted to rid ourselves of the corruption and meddling

    of the faceless Manderins in Brussels.

    Remoaners need to realise that democracy has taken place and it's their duty to support the democratic will of the British people.

  • The remoaners are trying to put a spanner in the works of the governance of the UK.

    They cannot understand democracy.

    The people's of the UK voted to rid ourselves of the corruption and meddling

    of the faceless Manderins in Brussels.

    Remoaners need to realise that democracy has taken place and it's their duty to support the democratic will of the British people.

    More of your childish language “ remoaner”

    There was one question on the ballot , leave or remain, we have left so the weak democratic will such as it was has been fulfilled.

    There was nothing on the ballot about hard or soft Brexit,

    The reality that we now have to deal with is that Johnson’s deal has more holes than Swiss cheese.

    Johnson told the country the deal was “ oven ready “ Just BS

    I keep hearing about how clever Brexit types knew all along there was work to be done

    The problem is that the EU don’t trust habitual liar Johnson to negotiate in good faith.

    Until we get a new PM nothing will change ,

    The UK economy is crashing & Johnson can do nothing

  • GDPR ? Do you really think they’ll get rid of it ? They may call it something else but it’ll still be there.

    I have worked in many places around Europe all under the EASA regulations & it’s always the Brits who have the most extreme interpretation of these regulations.

    It’s how this country is wired.

    I’m all for clearing some red tape but the reality is that it’s a more difficult thing to do than people imagine.

  • Rubbish , No doubt the EU would like to improve relations but Johnson isn’t trusted by anyone.

    He’s about to rip up big chunks of his own “ oven ready deal “

    I find it quite extraordinary that anyone believes anything that comes out of his mouth

    Earth calling the Irish Problem as it is called was a problem long before I was born let alone you , the problem was caused by us invading the island of Ireland years ago our ancestors caused it, Oliver Cromwell made it even worse, the Irish have been fighting for their freedom ever since.


    And before your vivid imagination blows a fuse I do not support the IRA or any other Terrorist Organisation, unlike some members of the Labour Party especially the idiot Corbyn, I dread to think what he and some members of his Party would have done had he won a GE


    If you had not noticed we have had lots of PM's over the years different Political Parties, fast forward to today what the hell is a weak Democracy ?


    It took an awful long time to for ordinary people to be allowed to vote , even longer for women to be allowed to vote, which bit of the majority voted for Brexit do you not understand ? that was democracy in action , the Tories are in power because that is what the majority of voters wanted again that is democracy in action.


    Since Brexit we have had three different PM's Cameron May and now Boris , the unelected nameless faceless pen pushers in Brussels and some leaders of different countries within the EU that have made it as difficult as possible for all three of them to come to a sensible agreement and still are.


    You can only make any deal if the other party involved wants to make a deal that suits all involved, the EU does not want to make a deal with us full stop, the EU is frightened others will follow our lead, which would weaken the EU and their drive for a Socialist Empire in Europe.

  • GDPR ? Do you really think they’ll get rid of it ? They may call it something else but it’ll still be there.

    I have worked in many places around Europe all under the EASA regulations & it’s always the Brits who have the most extreme interpretation of these regulations.

    It’s how this country is wired.

    I’m all for clearing some red tape but the reality is that it’s a more difficult thing to do than people imagine.

    Why are you so supportive of the GDPR? It is heavily bureaucratic and is an unwelcome distraction for businesses, particularly the smaller ones.


    The GDPR should be first on the list of regulations for the bonfire. Our data protection legislation was perfectly adequate before the GDPR monster was dumped on us.


    As for ‘interpretation’, all we do is implement the regulations. Many EU countries only enforce what suits them.


    Clearing red tape where it did not exist prior to the EU is not at all difficult. You just take away that imposition.

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  • https://www.theverge.com/2021/…ing-connector-smartphones



    The biggest problem with GDPR is when the rules are broken and companies are fined the money goes to GDPR and not put into a general tax pot for the people. We see no benefits from the huge fines which many big companies can afford and will simply add those extra costs onto the product which we then pay for.

    Was the link posted in the wrong thread Norra?


    I don’t think usb-c is going to be a big deal for apple. Most of their new stuff has it anyway. They can introduce it onto the next gen of iPhone no problem, the iPads already have it.

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  • No it's an EU incentive. They have some good ideas but how they are implemented and the punishment for not implementing them is not always good. Apple will most likely abandon cables altogether and use this as an excuse to go totally wireless and may even implement it into their Bluetooth mesh networking which is bad from a privacy and tracking point of view and we all will be part of networking everything like air tags whether we want to or not.

  • GDPR ? Do you really think they’ll get rid of it ? They may call it something else but it’ll still be there.

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