Should babies be allowed at Westminster?

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  • I don't know if you have heard Stella Creasy speak today OB, but what she has said is that she already has one kid in the creche, but you can't breast feed a tiny baby if she is in one place and the baby is in another.


    Babies must be with their mothers, I don't think many would disagree with that, it's just how to accomate that and being a MP too.

    I agree. I breast fed my baby and I cant see why people, mostly men in my experience, have such major issues with a mother doing what comes naturally to all mammals, which after all is what we are. I wasn't to bothered about anybody looking a me either. It's a breast, for goodness sake. Have you never seen one before? Horizon is right, babies must be their mothers and being a mother and an MP is easily accommodated if men stop being so prissy about the sight of a tit.

  • I agree. I breast fed my baby and I cant see why people, mostly men in my experience, have such major issues with a mother doing what comes naturally to all mammals, which after all is what we are. I wasn't to bothered about anybody looking a me either. It's a breast, for goodness sake. Have you never seen one before? Horizon is right, babies must be their mothers and being a mother and an MP is easily accommodated if men stop being so prissy about the sight of a tit.

    It’s also nature’s way that men are the hunter gatherers whilst the woman have babies and look after children. You cannot hunter gather and look after children simultaneously.

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  • It's a breast, for goodness sake. Have you never seen one before? Horizon is right, babies must be their mothers and being a mother and an MP is easily accommodated if men stop being so prissy about the sight of a tit.

    Yes Babies should be with their mothers BUT not at their place of work. It is distracting for the mother and screaming babies do not make for a relaxed work environment. Most people don't care if a woman whips out a tit discretely to feed a baby. But take exception to the mother changing a minging shitty nappy in full view of everybody As witnessed on a train to Manchester recently. Disgusting...

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  • The argument is that MP's don't get Maternity leave but Parliament does provide chile care facilities which is more than most places of work. As had been said it's about making a statement. They should not be there as babies are a distraction to the job at hand. Plain and simple. Take unpaid leave if needs be. They get paid enough. They could even afford childcare of their own and express some milk if needs be so there is no excuse.

  • Yes Babies should be with their mothers BUT not at their place of work. It is distracting for the mother and screaming babies do not make for a relaxed work environment. Most people don't care if a woman whips out a tit discretely to feed a baby. But take exception to the mother changing a minging shitty nappy in full view of everybody As witnessed on a train to Manchester recently. Disgusting...

    I had to laugh at the thought of parliament being a relaxed work environment with all the yah boo stuff going on. Its more likely to be distressing for the baby having to sit though that cacophony. I don't think anybody would be able to change a nappy on those benches anyway. thats a different matter altogether. when baby is hungry he will let you know and besides that, work isn't supposed to be a place where you go to relax unles syour jacob rees mogg and can fall asleep on the benches. ^^

  • It’s also nature’s way that men are the hunter gatherers whilst the woman have babies and look after children. You cannot hunter gather and look after children simultaneously.

    we dont live in caves any more. Men dont have to go hunting with pointy sticks and bring home a dead dinosaur for food. Society has moved on.


    it makes me laugh. when my friend got divorced her ex husband was full of "oh, they are my children too. I have rights too." but when it comes to work men dont want their kids anywhere near the place. whenever i have said anything about this anywhere it is always the men who object the most. other women understand and empathise but men want none of it. they are only your children when you want them otherwise they have to be kept at home with little wifey out of the way. We have had to adapt and men have to accept that.

  • And when Labour all of a sudden start talking about extending the rights of working mothers, will we all look back on this and say, so that's what it was all about.

    Young boys in the park jumpers for goalpost that's what footballs all about isn't it.

  • I agree. I breast fed my baby and I cant see why people, mostly men in my experience, have such major issues with a mother doing what comes naturally to all mammals, which after all is what we are. I wasn't to bothered about anybody looking a me either. It's a breast, for goodness sake. Have you never seen one before? Horizon is right, babies must be their mothers and being a mother and an MP is easily accommodated if men stop being so prissy about the sight of a tit.

    The objection here is more that babies make a lot of noise and you really don't need such distractions in a debating chamber.

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  • Changing a nappy is simple but you go to work to get away from that.

    I have found that men are rather backward in coming forward when it comes to changing nappies and doing all sorts of other things that babies rather inconveniently need such as feeding or bathing or clothing or cleaning up sick or well, just about everything. Apparently all that stuff is womens work, not to mention having carried it inside her for nine months and then going through endless hours of indescribable agony to bring it into the world. But when a woman leaves him and takes the kids with her, then all of a sudden he starts shouting that they are his children too.

  • I have found that men are rather backward in coming forward when it comes to changing nappies and doing all sorts of other things that babies rather inconveniently need such as feeding or bathing or clothing or cleaning up sick or well, just about everything. Apparently all that stuff is womens work, not to mention having carried it inside her for nine months and then going through endless hours of indescribable agony to bring it into the world. But when a woman leaves him and takes the kids with her, then all of a sudden he starts shouting that they are his children too.

    I did my fair share back in the day. Breast feeding was challenging mind so had to use a bottle. I know some men don’t/won’t change a nappy and if I’d had daughters I wouldn’t have done it. But I had boys so no problem. The young guys I know now all get stuck in so I think it’s a bit of an old myth that men won’t get involved with kids. But don’t mix kids and work. Choose one or the other.

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  • I did my fair share back in the day. Breast feeding was challenging mind so had to use a bottle. I know some men don’t/won’t change a nappy and if I’d had daughters I wouldn’t have done it. But I had boys so no problem. The young guys I know now all get stuck in so I think it’s a bit of an old myth that men won’t get involved with kids. But don’t mix kids and work. Choose one or the other.

    You would change your sons nappy but not your daughters? Really?


    You seem to come across as one of those men who think that women dont belong in the workplace. That they should be kept barefoot, pregnant and chained to the kitchen sink. That is how you are putting yourself across.


    So. Why cant men stay at home and bring up the children then? As you say, feeding is taken care of by bottles, and you can soon get around being squeamish about changing a female infants nappy. Nobody will think anything odd of you for doing it. I didnt suggest that men wont get involved with kids, what I said was that they are backwards in coming forwards. They'd rather not do it if they could leave it to their significant female other. Don't want much do you? Your part in the process was all done and dusted in ten minutes one night after match of the day, eh?


    But we now live in the 21st century, not the middle ages and women do go out to work, often because their menfolk dont earn enough to keep the family in an adequate standard of living. I would love to spend more time with my daughter but I have to go out to work too (off sick at the moment so have time for this while she is at school). If I didn't work we certainly wouldnt be having any sort of Christmas. We wouldn't have a lot of things. Like food.


    I think some men need to drag their mentality into the year 2022. The world they seem to inhabit died a long time ago.

  • You would change your sons nappy but not your daughters? Really?

    I really don't think that is such an unusual position to take.



    You seem to come across as one of those men who think that women dont belong in the workplace. That they should be kept barefoot, pregnant and chained to the kitchen sink. That is how you are putting yourself across.

    Women should work if they want to and I absolutely support them in the workplace right up to the very senior positions as long as it is done on merit and not as a box ticking exercise which frequently is the case. I think there are such things as gender roles in the workplace and life in general and most women don't have a problem with that, quite simply because they are not feminists and are happy with things they way they are. I know that not all women are like that and that is fine too, but most men don't want a feminist in their lives and neither do they want a domestic slave. They want a woman to be a woman, kind, gentle, understanding, supportive and feminine. If they can do all that and bring in some big wages as well that is the very best of all worlds. But for most men the status of a woman in the working life really is not important.


    So. Why cant men stay at home and bring up the children then? As you say, feeding is taken care of by bottles, and you can soon get around being squeamish about changing a female infants nappy. Nobody will think anything odd of you for doing it. I didnt suggest that men wont get involved with kids, what I said was that they are backwards in coming forwards. They'd rather not do it if they could leave it to their significant female other. Don't want much do you? Your part in the process was all done and dusted in ten minutes one night after match of the day, eh?

    Well I was not backwards, I saw that sharing the duties was the right thing to do so I really don't know what you are referring to. Other men I know from my peer group were pretty much like me getting stuck in and not expecting wives to carry the burden alone. You seem to have a distorted idea of what normal men are like. For the record I was very caring in post coital moments and put Match of the Day onto record so that I didn't have to rush off. I guess that time shifting TV for sex may been seen as a negative characteristic, I simply saw it as good planning and forward thinking which I believe many women find attractive.


    But we now live in the 21st century, not the middle ages and women do go out to work, often because their menfolk dont earn enough to keep the family in an adequate standard of living. I would love to spend more time with my daughter but I have to go out to work too (off sick at the moment so have time for this while she is at school). If I didn't work we certainly wouldnt be having any sort of Christmas. We wouldn't have a lot of things. Like food.

    Yes, my wife worked for exactly that reason, I was unable to provide fully for her or more accurately we could do so much better if she chipped in which she was happy to do. My wife is now down to part time which she does for the love of it from what I can tell as the money is frankly not worth it. But she is free to choose what she does, I don't dictate and never have. If she had not wanted to work that would have been fine too but she made a big difference to the family coffers.


    I think some men need to drag their mentality into the year 2022. The world they seem to inhabit died a long time ago.

    Yes definitely a feminist with a statement like that. Men and Women are designed to compliment each other not compete with each other. There are things I do that my wife would always expect me to do and similarly there are things that she does that I would always expect her to do. We work together, we are a team we achieve more together and we respect what each other brings to the table. My mentality is very much of the now.


    Clearly for women who choose the doctrine of the feminist, a lifetime of bitterness, resentment, loneliness and cats ultimately awaits but that is your choice.

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  • Like putting the rubbish out for the bin men :P

    Yep

    and decorating

    mowing the lawn

    getting stuff into/out of the loft

    cook dinners and breakfasts when required

    feed the washing machine

    wash/maintain the cars

    and deal with all the shit she doesn't fancy which is a random and continuously updating list


    to name but a few

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