Law to change on murdered police and nurses

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  • PC Andrew Harper's widow wins bid to change law
    Ministers back Lissie Harper's campaign to jail those who kill on-duty police and 999 workers for life.
    www.bbc.co.uk

    I hate discrimination in all its forms and what I hate the most is paralell law, where there is one law applied to one group of people and not another.

    Why should murdered police and nurses be treated any differently in law to any other murder victim?

  • I think this aligns with other countries where the punishment for Cop Killers is much harsher i.e. the USA.

    I think the basis of this is that you don't accidentally kill a cop, they are servants of the state that either help you or arrest you for a crime. If you resist arrest and in doing so kill the policemen even unintentionally as I believe was the case with PC Harper who was dragged behind the speeding car because his foot got entangled in a trailing rope you should not have been trying to evade capture. The presumption is that Police do not have to use force because you should respect the uniform and go quietly. Obviously this isn't going to happen in this day and age but that is still the working assumption. And if people did they would end up in a lot less trouble and PC Harper would still be alive and those that unintentionally killed him would not be doing long prison sentences. They would probably be out now as they had "only" stolen a quad bike and theft doesn't seem to score very high these days. Instead they opted to evade capture and killed a Policeman and that is a lot of lives ruined and for what?

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  • I have mixed feelings about this. I certainly do believe that sentences should be much harsher for murder, but they shouldn't vary according to the person you murder. It should be the same - every life is precious and the derisory sentences handed out at present do not reflect this.

    I have concerns also that if you kill an emergency worker accidentally or without the intention to kill them (manslaughter) the sentence will be the same. That can't be right.

  • Murder is murder, no matter how the Tricky Dicky defence council dresses it up. I would like to see a reintroduction of the death penalty as an option available to the Judges when sentencing. That way, the deliberate murder of emergency service personnel would earn the death penalty and other murders would mean life imprisonment so long as Life means a Lifetime behind bars.

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  • You only got to look at the pictures of the shits who killed "the fed" as they no doubt would have called him and the fact they killed him will be a badge of honour in their eyes all part of their tough "gangsta" image "in-it".

  • If you resist arrest and in doing so kill the policemen even unintentionally as I believe was the case with PC Harper who was dragged behind the speeding car because his foot got entangled in a trailing rope you should not have been trying to evade capture.

    I wonder how far they dragged him before they noticed, I think that would determine whether they actually intended to kill him or not. :/

  • I wonder how far they dragged him before they noticed, I think that would determine whether they actually intended to kill him or not. :/

    I believe it was at least half a mile

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  • We have laws in place for this already and they simply need to be enforced. More hot air from the gov to win them some votes. Whether you murder a pig, and lets face it some of them are, or whether you murder anyone else then murder is murder no matter what. What happens when the pigs in the force start to abuse their powers and incite an attack on them. It's already supposed to be the crime with the most harshest sentence and the only crime that comes above that is treason which we used to hang people for. The problem we have here is that life does not mean life. 12 years is a life sentence IIRC but then it does have to be proven as murder with intent and not manslaughter.

  • Because of the PC brigade, people are scared to call evil people EVIL.. That couple who killed and tortured little Arthur are the epitome of EVIL. Do evil people deserve to breath the same air are decent members of society ?. It the judges were doing their job correctly they would ensure that Evil people would never be at liberty to offend again. But there are too many Wokists making excuses for Evil people so killings will go on and on. :(

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  • Him getting tangled in the ropes or whatever was the accident, them dragging him for half a mile was not, they should have been tried for murder not manslaughter based on that.

    They did try them for murder and an alternative charge of manslaughter which is not uncommon , the reason being the Crown has to prove intent to prove murder, the Jury was not convinced they intended to kill him however they were convinced enough to convict them of manslaughter

  • We have laws in place for this already and they simply need to be enforced. More hot air from the gov to win them some votes. Whether you murder a pig, and lets face it some of them are, or whether you murder anyone else then murder is murder no matter what. What happens when the pigs in the force start to abuse their powers and incite an attack on them. It's already supposed to be the crime with the most harshest sentence and the only crime that comes above that is treason which we used to hang people for. The problem we have here is that life does not mean life. 12 years is a life sentence IIRC but then it does have to be proven as murder with intent and not manslaughter.

    Killers can now be given a mandatory life sentence meaning they will die in Prison , each case is based on its merit and circumstances

  • The sentencing needs to be much tougher all the way round but will it happen , some murders are getting longer sentences 20 years plus , however even when we did have the death penalty people still committed murder intentionally.

    IMHO over the years we have seen violence increase due to a section of our society that had very little discipline at home by poor parenting who did not care what their children did, did not help educate them not their job that's the states job, lack of discipline within some of our schools.

    Many youngsters leaving school with little or no educational skills.

    On top of that the abundance of illegal drugs , the drug smugglers and drug dealers selling their in many cases mind altering substances to make vast amounts of money, they are funding International Criminals and in many cases Terrorism , not just people smuggling and the sex trade

    I don't know what the answer is to these growing problems, having said the majority of our youngsters are doing well

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-59394783

    I hate discrimination in all its forms and what I hate the most is paralell law, where there is one law applied to one group of people and not another.

    Why should murdered police and nurses be treated any differently in law to any other murder victim?

    IMHO it is being put in place to try and protect our Emergency Services better when on duty because they are being attacked and injured more than they used to be , even nurses are attacked when trying to help people who need medical help, firemen attacked etc

    They are at more risk of being intentionally injured or possibly killed doing their job than you and I

  • Because of the PC brigade, people are scared to call evil people EVIL.. That couple who killed and tortured little Arthur are the epitome of EVIL. Do evil people deserve to breath the same air are decent members of society ?. It the judges were doing their job correctly they would ensure that Evil people would never be at liberty to offend again. But there are too many Wokists making excuses for Evil people so killings will go on and on. :(

    Sadly yet another two year old was tortured and murdered by his Mother and her boyfriend in South London found guilty last Friday at the Old Bailey , they should never see the light of day again

  • Sadly yet another two year old was tortured and murdered by his Mother and her boyfriend in South London found guilty last Friday at the Old Bailey , they should never see the light of day again

    And so it will continue until this country sees fit to administer severe punishment to those evil people.

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  • They are at more risk of being intentionally injured or possibly killed doing their job than you and I

    Possibly but shop keepers, bar staff etc are also very much at risk from being attacked since not only the reduction of staff but the reduction of Police on the beat and closure of all the local police stations. Talking about reduction in staff the Police when out now often have to patrol on their own or alongside a wannabe copper with their community bully badge. I can understand coppers getting attacked. Sadly that goes with the job and they have to accept that when they take the job on because when they oppose and penalise (bully) someone else they are at risk of attack. Same with traffic wardens, but Nurses and Fire Engines is something else.

    We live in a more violent society these days and it's not only niche criminal gangsters who run their own area who used to have a certain level of integrity and criminal code to respect and abide by lost to a new criminal world, especially eastern European gangs now, but the influence that society and media has imposed on people. Not only that but the real heavy stuff was mostly contained within the criminal gangs. You don't go to rob somewhere with a shotgun and have intent to use it. Nowadays folk wouldn't think twice about using it.

    The lack of discipline like you said and the lack of the cane in schools etc also has a large part to play but it's also the lack of jobs, mines closed, automation taking over, the increased population and taking homes, jobs and the rest of it. Overcrowding alone is enough to increase the violence. Just look at the stress and the way people behave out on the roads while driving and gov don't help when they create road systems to purposely slow traffic down and make it more expensive and more difficult with stupid road layouts, no right turns, one way systems, lights that don't work properly or sync with each other etc. Sitting at a Red light for 10 mins is enough to wind people up.

    I'm getting increasingly frustrated simply by not being able to communicate with people because English is not their native language, whether that's on the phone or in a shop or wherever. All this stuff adds to the stress, tension and frustration that can cause folk to snap. Then there's the constant everyone is out to rip you off one way or another from car parking charges to the price of milk.

    We can keep locking people up for longer but it wont solve the issues that society has. Actually as more more folk are locked up and it increases the space on the outside the gov may decide then to fill the country up more with people from other countries. It will turn into a conveyor belt. One lands in prison, one gets immigration status and on it goes. We need to solve the issues of society to solve the problems. And don't forget as more folk are locked up your tax;s will have to rise to pay for it. Prison is a free ride and often the better option for many. Food and a roof over your head.

  • I agree with some of it bar staff , shopkeepers etc some fight back some don't , walking down the street you may get mugged but the chances of that are slim, being attacked in your own home is very remote unless you are rich of course, I think everyone is full aware we live in more violent times .

    Our Emergency services run towards trouble and danger whilst the rest of stand and watch or run away

    As for criminals of yesteryear don't look at them through rose tinted glasses they were very violent for example the Krays , they started off in the protection rack of pubs and clubs casinos , they were ruthless , they dealt in drugs in a big way, they even went into partnership with the Italian Mafia in America

    Yes we have well organised Criminals from overseas not just Eastern Europeans, but Snakeheads, Yakuza , Triads Russian Mafia and others even the IRA smuggled drugs ,counterfeiting, protection rackets ,as do other Terrorists Groups , to raise cash to buy arms .

    The one thing about prison is when violent offenders are locked up that means fewer victims, in my opinion the major cause in the UK is drugs and the dumb people who buy it use it then depend on it , all putting cash in the back pocket of organised criminals home grown and from overseas day in day out

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