The constant claim the Nazi's are coming.

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  • Norra Batty wrote:

    Forget about the virus for a minute as there is a lot of fear and panic installed into people so can't see clearly. Fear and panic was used to push the Nazis into power along with some disasters like the Reichstag Fire. Disasters along with fear is always used as way to push power and warfare and get people on side like for example the World Trade Center. And it's not only our government pushing for power. It's bigger than that and I believe a worldwide rising of super companies taking the place of governments for commercial benefit who in turn donate to governments.

    Can you see where all the above is heading. We don't live in a Stasi state and millions of folk died during the world wars fighting for our freedom and many people through fear seem happy to disrespect them and not honour what they died for. Disgusting!!!! It's almost as bad as remembrance day which has turned more into a political campaign and charity fundraiser. I wonder how much of this communist type behaviour has been fed through into our academics and Universities via Chinese international students feeding them high tuition fees and Russian business men that have infiltrated the country, and lets not forget Boris has his fingers in the pot with the Russian oligarchs. Were being destroyed from the inside out.

    I hope this is OK Nora, I thought this interesting and worth touching on but thought it did not belong on a Covid thread.

    As I stated before the Nazi's did not rise to power through removal of peoples rights, that only came later. They rose to power by promising things that the people wanted but which were impossible to give. He rode a wave of nationalism promising to make Germany great again.

    The nearest we have come in recent times to this IMO was the proroguing of parliament by Boris Johnson in 2019. Boris riding on a wave of English nationalism promised to get us out of the EU (A popular move) and that it could be done with any significant loss or need for compromise. His parliament disagreed with him (By parliament I do not mean just the opposition, the Tories had a majority)

    In order to prevent parliament voting against his proposals he prorogued parliament.

    Now regardless of your views on the EU and Brexit this act was the first step towards a dictatorship. Nearly all dictators start out with public support. But remember , each and everyone of those MP's denied a say was elected by a free vote to represent their constituents. Denying them that vote to get through something the public wanted is exactly what all dictators do.

    Hitler followed the same route, usurping parliament to bring the people what they so wanted instead of carrying the burden of what was possible.

    Boris's plan worked (though not quite how he had planned) The proroguing was declared illegal, but the public were suitably inflamed with many claiming the judges were traitors (Sound familiar?)

    Boris then called an election and swept into power with the same empty promises, without any questioning of their practicality.

    The old adage, "Be careful what you wish" for comes to mind.

  • Its "Godwin's law", which goes something like the longer a discussion goes on about something the more likely someone with refer to something being comparable with Hitler the Nazis or something similar. :D

  • Its "Godwin's law", which goes something like the longer a discussion goes on about something the more likely someone with refer to something being comparable with Hitler the Nazis or something similar. :D

    Yep that's the one Ron. :D

    I just thought it might be interesting to step back and consider how fragile democracy is and what REALLY breaks it.

  • Its a bit like the ploy where if there is a debate going on about something someone who doesn't like the debate or just wants to stifle the debate will call racist, sexist or whatever-ist just to derail it. :D

  • Its a bit like the ploy where if there is a debate going on about something someone who doesn't like the debate or just wants to stifle the debate will call racist, sexist or whatever-ist just to derail it. :D

    Yes. The 'wokes' habit of calling everything racist has done more to bolster the racists position that anything they could have done.

    I keep warning them that in their efforts to be wokest they are alienating the very people who would support their aims.

    The old man who says "Coloured people should be treated as equals" should be applauded, not chastised for using the wrong word.

    But then when someone say we should stop Muslims coming to the UK because they might be terrorists. It should be possible to point out that 99.98% of them are not and do not support Jihad. Without being accused of Wokism.

    I suspect foreign trolls across the internet of trying to inflame both sides.

  • Their not coming they never left. Nazism has always been a thing you just have to look at the far right. Then there are huge groups of Nazis in the states, probably grandchildren indoctrinated by the Nazis extradited over there after the war. We have our own that came from the war as part of the British regiment in the Nazis during the war which is where groups like NF / BNP originate from. The thing is Nazism is not just a label it's the actions and our government is now showing the same kind of actions that brought the rise of the Nazi's. Exactly the thing we went to war over and millions died for our freedom. We are not slaves for those in power to do as they please with, we human beings free to live our life's as we please.

  • It is impossible for individuals to decide on and carry out all the decisions and actions that make a society function.

    Therefore we have to appoint others to act on our behalf. The only protection we have from them abusing that position is a vote.

    Once every 4 years we get to look at what they did and decide if they should continue doing it.

    That is why the BNP and NF are just fringe parties. Nazism will not occur by our elected leaders slowly removing our liberties because sooner or later they will go to far and lose that critical vote.

    Such fascism only achieves success by the combination of a populist and ruthless leader added to a striking event that divides the public.

    This provides the opportunity for a given leader to usurp democracy for the "greater good". Once your right to vote has been temporarily removed "for the greater good" it is rarely returned without a fight.

    That is why proroguing parliament to stop them voting on Brexit was such an important near miss for Britain.

  • Up here in Scotland we all suffer from a National Socialist dictatorship. All dissent is shut down ruthlessly. The National Socialist storm troopers can be seen marching through the streets flying their banners and disrupting normal life. It's a sad fact, but the situation is causing hardship and political chaos.

    The Voice of Reason

  • Up here in Scotland we all suffer from a National Socialist dictatorship. All dissent is shut down ruthlessly. The National Socialist storm troopers can be seen marching through the streets flying their banners and disrupting normal life. It's a sad fact, but the situation is causing hardship and political chaos.

    I've missed the news showing people being rounded up into ghettos or having their rights removed. I'll have a look at the Scottish resistance. ;)

  • I've missed the news showing people being rounded up into ghettos or having their rights removed. I'll have a look at the Scottish resistance. ;)

    Not yet but that's how Germany's political Movement started under the National Socialist leader Hitler. Comrade Sturgeon won't get away with rounding up people like Hitler did, but the signs of dictatorship is there for all to see.

    The Voice of Reason

  • Not yet but that's how Germany's political Movement started under the National Socialist leader Hitler. Comrade Sturgeon won't get away with rounding up people like Hitler did, but the signs of dictatorship is there for all to see.

    No it isn't not in any way at all.

  • I have been worried about this for some time. It seems to me that our current government wants to make sure they cant be unelected by shifting constituency boundaries to suit themselves. They double the number of seats they hold dividing one of theirs into two and halve the number of seats the opposition hold by combining two into one. There is a word for doing this and i cant think of it right now.

    I think the first post is a bit wrong where it says that Johnson prorogued parliament. He tried to but he was threatened with contempt of court if he went through with it and being sent to prison so he backed off but he would have done if he thought he would have gotten away with it.

    I think our best bet to avoid nazism in Britain is to have proportional representation. It will produce hung parliaments for sure but that will ensure that parties have to work together and compromise. It will give power to voters because everybodys vote will count. Right now I live in a strong tory seat and it isn't worth me bothering to vote and a lot of people feel like that but if we had PR we would go out and vote because that would really count. I know a lot of hard right tories dont like PR because they know it would cut thier power. They say that nothing would ever get done but lots of countries have PR and they are getting along a hell of a lot better than we are. We are in a horrible mess because of brexit and all the tories do is make everything worse but they cant be stopped because they have a big majority. They would never get away with fixing the seat boundaries if there was a coalition government or they had less power. We really need PR. Big time.

    Just telling the truth, that's all. I know you don't like it, but there it is.

  • I have been worried about this for some time. It seems to me that our current government wants to make sure they cant be unelected by shifting constituency boundaries to suit themselves.

    Hi ItsThatGirlAgain.

    I'm wasn't aware of any current changes planned, do you have a link? From memory I think the boundaries were considered in need of adjustment by both sides?

    I think the first post is a bit wrong where it says that Johnson prorogued parliament. He tried to but he was threatened with contempt of court if he went through with it

    Not quite. Johnson advised the queen, which is the formal request to prorogue parliament, but in an emergency court session it was declared illegal and the speaker announced parliament would resume as normal. Nothing more was ever said as Johnson maintained his claim the proroguing was an innocent act and all his team refused to give sworn statements. (But I shortened all that for brevities sake :) )

    I agree with you on PR but we'll be lucky if we ever get it.

  • The reason people don’t want PR is because progress would be difficult and nothing would ever get done. Those scenes we had in Parliament over Brexit are something very few people want repeated.

    As for parliamentary boundaries, these are the recommendations of the Boundaries Commission, not the government. It is designed to ensure that each constituency has within it a fairly standard number of voters.

    I think the point that is being missed with the PM’s failed attempt to prorogue Parliament is that he was trying to enact the will of the people as expressed in the referendum. I think we should be far more concerned about the shameful conduct of MPs who were trying to undermine that goal.

  • The reason people don’t want PR is because progress would be difficult and nothing would ever get done. Those scenes we had in Parliament over Brexit are something very few people want repeated.

    That is the claim, but I'm not sure we should take that for granted. It seems to work very well in a number of countries, none of which are lagging behind us.

  • ruthless leader added to a striking event that divides the public.

    Which is what we have got. Divide and conquer. The country has never been so divided. First Brexit and now COVID. When a government starts using force to get the people to comply to what they want we are no longer living in a free country. This is how communist countries behave. We haven't had political choice for many years now. There's only two parties and they are as bad as each other and behave equally the same. That's not democracy. Even when a party makes promises as soon as they get into power they change their ways and they are based on lies based on lies. It's in a terrible state and they are no longer working for the people, they haven't done for years. They are working for themselves and their party. It's more like an entertainment and popularity show than politics. Getting into power for them means doing what they can while they can to make as much money as possible and set themselves up either for retirement or another means of making money off the back of their previous position and contacts they have made. And the all the time this is happening they are pulling the wool over the peoples eyes distracted by the shit show.

  • Well its a nice change to see that any change in policy makes us commies now, rather than Nazis.

    Of course its more nonsense. We have seen NOTHING like to carnage, death, imprisonment, slavery, that are associated with communist history.

  • The present government is nothing like the nazi party, and certainly not comunist either, I'm sure some people are living in some fantasy land or maybe smoking or taking Somthing they shouldn't be. 🤣

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