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  • I have been putting off buying a new tv as they all seem to be 'smart' tvs now, and I'm suspicious about them. However, I had no choice, and was forced to get one. I was pleased to see that they operate without being connected to the internet, but there is no scart socket. I have loads of video tapes which I still watch, as well as DVDs, but the players don't have hdmi sockets, so there is no way to connect them to the tv. Presumably a new machine would have the required sockets? Is this yet another way to get us to spend money? ( I still have my old tv so I can use that, but it's not very convenient.)

  • You can get SCART to HDMI convertor boxes. Look on Amazon.

    Ironically I have the opposite problem that VMs V6 box only has HDMI outputs but my Sony DVD/HDD recorder/player is only SCART so I need the opposite convertor box with the added complication that it needs to override the rights management that is part of HDMI.

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  • But that rights management wouldn't affect the stuff on your Sony machine, would it?

    I have been putting off buying a new tv as they all seem to be 'smart' tvs now, and I'm suspicious about them.

    They're not actually smart, that's tech is still to come, but they're pretty decent otherwise.

  • Wow....SCART I have not heard that in a long time. I completely understand you concerns with a Smart (AKA Not Smart) TV's and your right to be suspicious especially where voice activation is concerned, where Alexa type remotes etc are included and also a web camera on the set itself. And no this is not a conspiracy this is all proven abuse and spyware, they have been caught, a trojan horse we willingly buy into as a product and also why some people are rightfully so 'suspicious'. Alexa devices where stripped down by security researchers and they found a hidden second microphone inside that had nothing to do with the operation of the device. Samsung in the early days where caught abusing the web cam on TV's etc.

    Don't activate any voice activation and put a simple bit of tape over the camera lens. You could completely disable the microphone but this is beyond the regular consumer. As for the rest of the Smart side of things it's really not that bad and no worse than your personal computer minus the web cam. I was lucky and bought the last in line and purchased my Panasonic TV just before they all became fully featured Smart TV's and does not include any voice activation or camera but does have Internet access for Play, TV catch up services and I don't install any additional app's. The main thing for me with a Smart TV was DLNA so I can stream movies from my computer to TV.

    As an additional precaution I keep all those devices TV, AVR, PVR etc on a separate LAN connection via a network switch with additional protection so kind of works like a DMZ. Containment is one of the best security practices you can do so they can't interact with each other and follow you about without you knowing and this includes your browser tabs and going from one site to the next. Even if an an attacker broke into my router they still then need to get passed the Switch. And on that note you should be aware that every ISP supplied router is already compromised out of the box. Another trojan masked as being access for your ISP for support purposes and updates. This also puts you more at risk from an outside attacker. The first thing I do is throw away any ISP supplied router or turn it into Modem operation only and use my own router. I wouldn't go online otherwise. Been doing this for many years.

    It gets worse because even third party consumer based routers own built in software more often than not is spyware. For example on ASUS routers they contain Trend Micro (a US marketing company) for the activation of things like network statistics, speed tests, malware protection which needs to know all the sites you connect to etc so best to remove all this and install an open source router software. Even without using the Trend Micro features they still ping back home but yet again this is beyond the general consumer.

    One of the latest exploits...

    Netgear router vulnerabilities affecting SME products fixed
    Don't just install the patch, change your router passwords too
    www.theregister.com

    The extent that the consumer has fallen into this trap of monitoring and recording everything we do is ridiculous and it 's all done through the sale of products that appeal to us. It's akin to living in N Korea and the general consumer is completely unaware. They have even been brainwashed into calling these things out as a conspiracy.

  • But that rights management wouldn't affect the stuff on your Sony machine, would it?

    SCART output can be inhibited for copyright materials if the HDMI standard is strictly enforced.

    Don't activate any voice activation and put a simple bit of tape over the camera lens. You could completely disable the microphone but this is beyond the regular consumer. As for the rest of the Smart side of things it's really not that bad and no worse than your personal computer minus the web cam. I was lucky and bought the last in line and purchased my Panasonic TV just before they all became fully featured Smart TV's and does not include any voice activation or camera but does have Internet access for Play, TV catch up services and I don't install any additional app's. The main thing for me with a Smart TV was DLNA so I can stream movies from my computer to TV.

    DLNA is a really neat feature and I use the same streaming capability from my media server on the desk PC to the smart TV.

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  • Thank you for all that information...so I'm right to be cautious...but don't have the tech know-how to by-pass all the spyware. Nice to know I'm not being paranoid!

  • Thank you for all that information...so I'm right to be cautious...but don't have the tech know-how to by-pass all the spyware. Nice to know I'm not being paranoid!

    To be honest the majority of users for online devices are just not interesting enough for anybody to want to spy on them, most peoples lives are extremely boring and mundane. :D

  • Did you know Sky set top boxes report your viewing habits back to Sky, they even know when you fast forward through adverts.

    In fact fast forwarding at 64 times is set up so you get a series of stills from the adverts rather than a blur.

    The only way to get round this is to hide behind the sofa, otherwise they'll get you. :evil:

    My wife asked me

    Do our home appliances really listened to our conversations.

    No ofcourse not I laughed

    Google laughed, Alexa laughed.......

    I'm sure I heard the washing machine giggle.

  • People worry that Amazon etc want to know where you go and what you do, but they really aren't interested in you personally.

    They are interested in how many people walked past boots in the high street at any given time or how many people clicked on a certain type of advert, but they don't care who it was.

  • Mi5 Claimed that if they employed all their staff to do nothing else it would take them 18 years to read one days emails. And 27 years to read a days Facebook posts

  • It's not only the authorities and the companies themselves you need to be concerned about but even more so it's the hackers and script kiddies and the trade of your data. Why do you think there is such an increase in spam calls and the rest of it where folk get ripped off all the time, not to mention the sale of your identity, credit fraud and the rest of it.

    A zero day Java exploit was released only the other day that is basically a digital version of swiping your credit card details. Who knows how long that has been in use for and being a zero day it wont be registered as a CVE and added to any definitions lists in any defensive software's like anti viruses, malware or spyware or anything. There are many thousands of unknown exploits out there in the wild shared amongst certain kinds of closed groups until they are discovered by a White hat security researcher somewhere. To make matters worse they will let the company know about the weakness found and if that company either does not pay them for the info or the company decides to not fix the hole or takes to long about it then they will release the exploit online for all to see so anyone can then use the exploit, effectively forcing the company in the end to fix it. Some of them remain open online for a few years still unfixed. The security researcher may even slip into Grey hat territory and abuse the exploit themselves first for personal benefits depending on their moral standards and codes of practice.

    Log4Shell: RCE 0-day exploit found in log4j 2, a popular Java logging package | LunaSec
    Given how ubiquitous log4j is, the impact of this vulnerability is quite severe. Learn how to patch it, why it's bad, and more in this post.
    www.lunasec.io

    Geez a rogue employee could take footage of you in the bedroom and make money on Porn Hub or somewhere and who can blame them considering they are probably underpaid and not appreciated or maybe you have a child and your happy that some scumbag has sold pictures and video footage of them on some underground paedo site on the dark web. We even have spy teddy's and toys for kids now. You don't even have to be a hacker. Anyone can happily find IOTs device web cams and microphones and watch or listen into people in their homes online because of the lack of security in these devices . It's a bit creepy and voyeuristic but with all the lock downs I would imagine there's lot of people with nothing better to do. The kind of stuff many 4chan members will get up to especially where celebs are concerned. Thy could even target them for ransom then or maybe some random guy has been caught cheating on his wife. If he /she is a business person, manager / CEO or whatever then there could be nice tidy sum to be earned. Maybe he will think twice before snogging his secretary. Hancock are you listening LOL Believe me this kind of shit goes on all the time in the modern day world and I'm not referring to the cheating.

    Shodan
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    Germany has banned many kids toys / nanny cams for that very reason. They do exist! You should research the problems they have in South Korea with spy cameras. It's not got quite as bad as that here yet but we are heading that way. Your naivety and ignorance does nobody any favours apart from the criminal gangs, hackers, weirdos, freaks and the corporate giants.

    And that's before we get into nation state territory where the Russians or Chinese hack into your devices and use your network as part of a botnet for DDoS attacks, distributing spam and political memes, coin mining and the rest of it. The Chinese are are already inside from the manufacturing process in many cases.

    On a positive note, a little late to the game now but even the government are beginning to recognise the problems but most of these devices are not made with security in mind so it's going to be a struggle to keep up unless we flat out ban the devices especially all the Chinese imports. And that includes shit like the latest Lavazza coffee maker with Alexa built in which no doubt will have weak security and the end user wont even be able to change the password. This is where network compartmentalisation comes into play from the end user perspective. They should be teaching stuff like this in Schools.

    New UK IoT law means huge fines and a ban on default passwords
    The United Kingdom government has introduced new legislation designed to improve the security of "smart" internet-connected devices used in people's homes.
    www.bitdefender.com

    You wouldn't leave you key in the front door would you. Yet so many people are happy to allow strangers in the their home via the network or are completely naive and unaware.

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