The future of TV

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  • We've just cut the cable and only use Netflix and Prime now, although I'm currently playing around with IPTV.

    Of course, being in Argentina my options are a tad limited, hence the need to check out other options like IPTV.

  • All the big American Hollywood Companies are getting involved in streaming Splinter and no doubt they will come your way sometime in the next year. They're the future and cord cutting is destroying the traditional pay tv package.

    Services to expect at some point:

    Disney + (which contains Fox content too, following Disney's takeover of Fox).

    A Warner service combining HBO content.

    A Comcast/Universal/NBC service which maybe called Sky, since Comcast took over Sky.

    CBS/Viacom/Paramount - they have lots of streaming services at the moment, including one called Pluto TV. Expect this to be just one service in the end, once the companies have remerged again - about to happen.

    Apple

    A Discovery streaming service including stuff from Eurosport (which they own) and BBC natural history shows

    And Sony's Crackle may already be available to you.

    I think that's the main ones.

    Oh, you might get Britbox in the future, which is currently available in the States. Contains all the BBC and ITV shows.

  • Lionsgate Shares Drop on Rumors Comcast Will Drop Starz

    Shares of Lions Gate Entertainment were dropping 7 percent in midday trading Friday as rumors circulated that Comcast will not renew a pact that makes Starz available to its cable-TV subscribers.

    Another volley has been fired in the streaming wars to come and there is a good chance a lot more like this Comcast move might happen.

    Streaming is turning the traditional way that tv "is done" upside down and in the States at least there is emerging a conflict between the big networks who also own vast amounts of their own content like AT&T and Comcast and smaller broadcasters. If Comcast goes ahead with this move, Starz, a premium film channel partially owned by John Malone, ultimate owner of Virgin Media, will lose a third of its revenue and will put the long term viability of the channel at risk.

    As I've said on the media mergers thread, the remerged ViacomCBS to be, is looking to either take over other smaller media companies and/or be bought out by a larger player and this Comcast move could accelerate that process.

    As a swathe of new streaming services from Disney, AT&T, NBC/Universal and others are about to launch, how can all these services exist and all existing tv channels too? Me thinks they can't.

  • From the VM tech changes thread:

    It was useful for a while when it repeated the old episodes of Bones. Although Sky showed most of them on endless repeat, they always missed a couple of series. Other than that, I don't think I've watched it.

    So, will the Fox channel be next for the axe? If Disney is putting its own content onto its own streaming service, I suppose that would release their bought in content, such as NCIS, NCIS New Orleans & L.A.'s Finest ,to other broadcasters and their own content, such as American Horror Story, would go to the streaming service. I can't say I'd subscribe just for AHS...

    The question you pose is the whole reason why this thread exists.

    Apart from the kids channels, Disney barely seems to exist on the EPGs of Sky and VM. So, in theory it could be easy for Disney to retain their content for their own streaming service as they lack channels to put stuff on, but its never that simple.

    But you mention Fox specifically and bought in shows like NCIS which is a CBS show. I wouldn't be surprised if the channel gets axed as the Fox brand is too associated with Murdoch and perhaps each broadcaster then keeps its own shows on its own streamer/channels, but that unwinds many decades of how the American companies have done business with each other. It would be a massive loss to Sky if in the future, Disney kept shows like The Simpsons for its own services, considering that Sky has shown the show from day one of their existence.

    As Disney has/will pull all its content from Netflix, we'll await and see how they treat other broadcasters when various broadcast rights expire.

  • From the VM tech changes thread:

    The question you pose is the whole reason why this thread exists.

    Sure but I was just "thinking aloud" as I was waiting for more info. :)

    Quote from Horizon

    Apart from the kids channels, Disney barely seems to exist on the EPGs of Sky and VM. So, in theory it could be easy for Disney to retain their content for their own streaming service as they lack channels to put stuff on, but its never that simple.

    But you mention Fox specifically and bought in shows like NCIS which is a CBS show. I wouldn't be surprised if the channel gets axed as the Fox brand is too associated with Murdoch and perhaps each broadcaster then keeps its own shows on its own streamer/channels, but that unwinds many decades of how the American companies have done business with each other. It would be a massive loss to Sky if in the future, Disney kept shows like The Simpsons for its own services, considering that Sky has shown the show from day one of their existence.

    As Disney has/will pull all its content from Netflix, we'll await and see how they treat other broadcasters when various broadcast rights expire.

    I don't know that the association with Murdoch will be a major issue as the same would apply to the entire "Fox" group of companies.

    Interesting times ahead...

  • I'm afraid I am pushed for time to watch TV programmes on the mainline terrestrial channels, and dvds

    All these streamers do not interest me, even after offers from those who know how to make them work without forking out for the subscription

  • RichardCoulter moved your post here from the VM network thread, as this is exactly the place to discuss such stuff.:)

    And in reply to your post, it could be the start of a serious escalation by the media companies pulling their channels off other people's platforms. I would not be surprised if this happens here too.

    I've been saying on Cable Forum for ages, you cannot have loads of linear channels and streaming services all co-exisitng happily. There can either be a ESPN streamer or channel, but both can't survive and that goes with all the channels.

  • And once the linear channels have been removed in favour of the cheaper to broadcast streaming services, watch their cheap prices shoot up.

    Anyone who now has to subscribe to a few streaming services to view the programmes that they want will already be seeing their savings eroded or even extinguished too.

  • ..it could be the start of a serious escalation by the media companies pulling their channels off other people's platforms. I would not be surprised if this happens here too.

    And very interesting if Disney eventually pulls the Disney owned Fox brands off the Murdoch owned Fox broadcasters

  • Disney heats up the rivalry with Netflix ahead of streaming service launch

    Disney is rejecting Netflix ads across its portfolio of channels.

    The Wall Street Journal reported that Disney originally wanted to ban all adverts for rival streaming companies across its networks, ahead of the launch of its own streaming service, Disney+.

    But, compromises were found, according to the report, based on "mutual business and advertising relationships", leaving just Netflix in the cold.

    Looks like Disney's actions are across the board here, even rejecting Netflix's ads on their channels, but they're leaving other media companies alone, so this is all about Netflix who Disney must see as they're fiercest rival.

    And very interesting if Disney eventually pulls the Disney owned Fox brands off the Murdoch owned Fox broadcasters

    Imagine the Fox network in the States without The Simpsons, I'm assuming Murdoch and Disney did some sort of deal to keep all the Fox shows on the Fox network once Disney took over the Fox content, but who knows. Will be interesting to watch what happens.

    And once the linear channels have been removed in favour of the cheaper to broadcast streaming services, watch their cheap prices shoot up.

    Anyone who now has to subscribe to a few streaming services to view the programmes that they want will already be seeing their savings eroded or even extinguished too.

    If someone wants all the intended streaming services, it will get very expensive, but lets not forget that Netflix, Amazon and Apple have made new shows in addition to what the traditional Hollywood studios/companies make, so it would get pricer. It's why I believe, as I've said in the media mergers thread, that I reckon there will be more media mergers to come, otherwise they'll be several streamers to pay for if everyone wants all content. Much more expensive than a pay tv sub, I agree.

  • The problem with streaming services is that it all costs money. We already pay a TV license, We pay our ISP for Internet, We pay bills here and bills there and it all add's up. There's only so much money people have and many folk are struggling on minimum wage. Software companies are trying to force subscription on everyone too. I would rather buy the software once and have a hard copy I can play over and over for free. The same with movies and music.

    I really dislike the subscription platform that has been created. It's all corporate greed draining the funds of the masses and feeding up the chain to the worlds 1% richest. Most of it feeding into the states and not even feeding back into the UK economy. Then there's the privacy issues with digital streaming services, not to mention the security issues with hackers whether that's nation state hackers or others. That include things like your contact details, email and possibly phone number for 2 factor authentication, credit card or other payment details. They know who you are, where you are, what you watch and at what time, what device you using etc etc. I expect their programmes come with trackers. This is all data they can sell or give to others so why are we paying them if they are making money from us by other means. Some of them I guess will even throw in advertisements. If not advertising others they will be advertising themselves and / or their partners.

    I'm more than happy with Freeview especially now we have discovery type channels and a couple of film channels. I don't have any subscription services. I think we should all go back to Black and White TV's with a couple of channels and spend less time in the front of the screen, bring back community spirit and go down the pub instead. :D I joke about the last bit but there is a serious pint (fraudulent slip I meant point) there about community spirit. Do families even socialise any more. How many families sit around the TV and chat like on gogglebox. Most of them are all watching different things on different devices in different rooms on different subscriptions all costing money and folk don't even talk to each other. Your lucky to get a grunt and shrugging shoulders out of most kids. I just find so many things in the digital age anti social and they create anti social behaviour. We need to get back to being human instead of living inside the corporate bubble while being brainwashed by the media.

    If we can support the traditional broadcasters then I think that will be better for all in the long run.

  • The only subscription services we pay for are Sky and BT sports. Sure it seems expensive but then there are four premier league matches on at the weekend and the cost of travelling, overnighting, and entrance fee would be astronomical

  • The problem with streaming services is that it all costs money. We already pay a TV license, We pay our ISP for Internet, We pay bills here and bills there and it all add's up. There's only so much money people have and many folk are struggling on minimum wage. Software companies are trying to force subscription on everyone too. I would rather buy the software once and have a hard copy I can play over and over for free. The same with movies and music.

    I really dislike the subscription platform that has been created. It's all corporate greed draining the funds of the masses and feeding up the chain to the worlds 1% richest. Most of it feeding into the states and not even feeding back into the UK economy. Then there's the privacy issues with digital streaming services, not to mention the security issues with hackers whether that's nation state hackers or others. That include things like your contact details, email and possibly phone number for 2 factor authentication, credit card or other payment details. They know who you are, where you are, what you watch and at what time, what device you using etc etc. I expect their programmes come with trackers. This is all data they can sell or give to others so why are we paying them if they are making money from us by other means. Some of them I guess will even throw in advertisements. If not advertising others they will be advertising themselves and / or their partners.

    I'm more than happy with Freeview especially now we have discovery type channels and a couple of film channels. I don't have any subscription services. I think we should all go back to Black and White TV's with a couple of channels and spend less time in the front of the screen, bring back community spirit and go down the pub instead. :D I joke about the last bit but there is a serious pint (fraudulent slip I meant point) there about community spirit. Do families even socialise any more. How many families sit around the TV and chat like on gogglebox. Most of them are all watching different things on different devices in different rooms on different subscriptions all costing money and folk don't even talk to each other. Your lucky to get a grunt and shrugging shoulders out of most kids. I just find so many things in the digital age anti social and they create anti social behaviour. We need to get back to being human instead of living inside the corporate bubble while being brainwashed by the media.

    If we can support the traditional broadcasters then I think that will be better for all in the long run.

    Are you also indifferent or lukewarm about films? And live theatre beamed onto a cinema screen? And one day soon beamed into your tv set?

    The choice of good movies is more than you've had hot dinners, so are you really content with the meagre choice of films on Freeview?

    Freeview is not free. You must know that, surely. You're paying with your tv licence fee.

    Provided one watches just a couple of films per week is that really anti-social. Do you feel the same way about books fiction being anti-social?

    Personally, I don't there is much social gratification or stimulation to be gained from talking to people who don't watch plays or films or read books. What do you talk about? Dry stone walling. Compost heaps? Morris dancing?

    You're right about the plague of vacuous shrugging facebook/twitter-addicted kids. But parents, grandparents, aunts & uncles don't stand a hope in hell of persuading them to mend their ways. You have trade with kids, strike a deal, sometimes ideally without them even knowing there is a trade. If they're still on pocket money, there's your leverage. If they're still (occasionally) wanting or needing your help, be it money, accommodation, meals, their laundry dome, there's your leverage. On a subconscious/unrevealed level, rejection or indifference is a powerful leverage. It leaves them feeling "in the cold". Overt disdain or disapproval can be counter-productive, akin to nagging, which is akin to love, which makes kids feel wanted, secure, confident and satisfied with their soulless vacuous selves, which is the precise opposite of what you want of them.

    Sadly, in the final analysis, too many kids are becoming zombies. Maybe you can bridge the gap by meeting them halfway, by being less ridiculously old-fashioned and irrelevant in their universe of constructs.

  • Amazon are doing some football too now bryan.

    The problem with streaming services is that it all costs money. We already pay a TV license, We pay our ISP for Internet, We pay bills here and bills there and it all add's up. There's only so much money people have and many folk are struggling on minimum wage. Software companies are trying to force subscription on everyone too. I would rather buy the software once and have a hard copy I can play over and over for free. The same with movies and music.

    Indeed. Once you've bought your DVD or whatever it maybe, it's yours to own, but we seem to be going back to the age of renting or subscribing as it's now called. Radio Rentals eat your heart out!

    I really dislike the subscription platform that has been created. It's all corporate greed draining the funds of the masses and feeding up the chain to the worlds 1% richest. Most of it feeding into the states and not even feeding back into the UK economy. Then there's the privacy issues with digital streaming services, not to mention the security issues with hackers whether that's nation state hackers or others. That include things like your contact details, email and possibly phone number for 2 factor authentication, credit card or other payment details. They know who you are, where you are, what you watch and at what time, what device you using etc etc. I expect their programmes come with trackers. This is all data they can sell or give to others so why are we paying them if they are making money from us by other means. Some of them I guess will even throw in advertisements. If not advertising others they will be advertising themselves and / or their partners.

    This is a subject that gets talked a lot on here, but the tech companies know too much. I haven't been able to keep a lot of my threads updated, but you might be interested in these: Facebook/Cambridge Analytica scandal. Do we get what we deserve? and Will Robots & AI take over?.

    (Note: that his site is scanned by Google and others and cached all over the world.)

    I'm more than happy with Freeview especially now we have discovery type channels and a couple of film channels. I don't have any subscription services. I think we should all go back to Black and White TV's with a couple of channels and spend less time in the front of the screen, bring back community spirit and go down the pub instead. :D I joke about the last bit but there is a serious pint (fraudulent slip I meant point) there about community spirit. Do families even socialise any more. How many families sit around the TV and chat like on gogglebox. Most of them are all watching different things on different devices in different rooms on different subscriptions all costing money and folk don't even talk to each other. Your lucky to get a grunt and shrugging shoulders out of most kids. I just find so many things in the digital age anti social and they create anti social behaviour. We need to get back to being human instead of living inside the corporate bubble while being brainwashed by the media.

    If we can support the traditional broadcasters then I think that will be better for all in the long run.

    You raise lots of points there and probably several different threads of things in their own right, but although I fully agree that families and communities should socialise more, I'd shoot anyone that took away my HD telly.^^

  • Are you also indifferent or lukewarm about films? And live theatre beamed onto a cinema screen? And one day soon beamed into your tv set?

    The choice of good movies is more than you've had hot dinners, so are you really content with the meagre choice of films on Freeview?

    I haven't been to the cinema in years but I did go the the Royal Opera House for Romeo and Juliet not so long ago. I do watch films but I'm picky. I either buy them on blueray or 'cough cough' download them and stream to my TV including the odd Netflix stuff. I mostly like stuff that is based on true stories or actual events possible scenarios and documentaries but I'm finding myself getting back into listening to music much more. I have a large CD collection and ripped. I used to read a lot of books when younger but not so much anymore and only a physical book in the traditional sense, mostly non fiction technical books.

    Indeed. Once you've bought your DVD or whatever it maybe, it's yours to own, but we seem to be going back to the age of renting or subscribing as it's now called. Radio Rentals eat your heart out!

    The cat is out the bag now and streaming is the future but I wonder if folk will catch on to the con and maybe go back to dvd/bluerays in the same way CD's and most defiantly LP's (records) are coming back on the scene. Even cassettes are making a small comeback. It's not only a con which is little unfair of me because that's business but it also the personal connection one has with a physical item. Radio Rentals OMG there's a blast from the past. They where extortionists too taking advantage of folk mostly those in lower class and in poverty. Like the old Littlewood's catalogues. My mum used to like them. She'd end up paying way more than the retail price.

    Getting back to streaming I think it has it's use but it's the subscription part I have an issue with. Maybe they could be more like an online Blockbuster video where one can hire as an when they want or even purchase as a download. Then again everyone would just hire and then copy so hiring would not really work unless it was online only.

    Iv'e never been big into sport but I can see how sky provides a service there. There was time when the majority of sport would be on terrestrial. Even F1 might end up exclusively on sky sooner or later. Sky makes a killing from the pubs and sports bars alone.

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