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  • Civils Servants are supposed to put in place what the Government of the day needs changing adapting or being kicked into the long grass be it a change in regulations or legislation

  • That’s right, Fred. Civil servants are meant to give impartial advice and be dedicated to the government of the day, no matter what their political complexion.

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  • Politics live: Audience gives verdict on who won Battle for Number 10 contest; Liz Truss says recession 'not inevitable'; Rishi Sunak told he 'knifed' Boris Johnson
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    About turn from me :!:


    Based on the debate tonight and the last two hustings this week which I watched, I think Sunak is better.


    He is a better performer than Truss and she appears to be in a complete mess on finance issues whereas he seems more certain, which shouldn't be a surprise as he was chancellor up until a few weeks ago.


    I think she is too weak and having her as PM would be just getting anoher Mrs May again. I do think Sunak is too polished and slick, but perhaps in this media age that's not such a bad thing.


    The Sky News audience tonight overwhelmingly sided with Sunak and I agree with them and I especially liked him saying he will use another definition for aslyum seekers, so that these channel crossings can be brought to an end.

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  • Sky is left wing outlet. They would frame Sunak favourably because he is a socialist and not a proper Conservative.


    Financial issues are too big now and can never be fixed, no point in making it the main issue especially when Sunak created the problem.


    Immigration, the influence of the unelected World Economic Forum and repealing Blair era legislation should be questions that are asked.

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  • Trust needs to be a 2 way street, Johnson has spent his time blaming everyone else

    Truss is already blaming the Bank of England for not do enough to counter inflation

    Criticism should be kept behind closed doors.

    Truss is like a small dog barking loudly but she doesn’t have any bite

  • I gave up following the leadership debate a while ago. Neither of the candidates IMO are up to the job of PM. The Conservative party has been fatally damaged by the juvenile antics of those two. No doubt one of them will get the top job but their credibility is forever damaged.

  • Trust needs to be a 2 way street, Johnson has spent his time blaming everyone else

    Truss is already blaming the Bank of England for not do enough to counter inflation

    Criticism should be kept behind closed doors.

    Truss is like a small dog barking loudly but she doesn’t have any bite

    Sunak is in the pocket of WEF so far worse.

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  • Sunak definitely came over better in this debate, but Liz Truss was derailed a bit by the interviewers persistence with asking the same question on a policy that she abandoned.


    My vote (if I had one) remains with Liz Truss. She will give us the different approach that we need.

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  • Sky is left wing outlet. They would frame Sunak favourably because he is a socialist and not a proper Conservative.


    Financial issues are too big now and can never be fixed, no point in making it the main issue especially when Sunak created the problem.


    Immigration, the influence of the unelected World Economic Forum and repealing Blair era legislation should be questions that are asked.

    I wouldn’t call Sunak a socialist, Armitage, although Truss does lean to the right of him.

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  • Sunak definitely came over better in this debate, but Liz Truss was derailed a bit by the interviewers persistence with asking the same question on a policy that she abandoned.


    My vote (if I had one) remains with Liz Truss. She will give us the different approach that we need.

    Kay Burley was persistent with her, that's true, but Sunak got the same treatment over his personal tax affairs and wealth and I think he handled it better than Truss.

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  • I gave up following the leadership debate a while ago. Neither of the candidates IMO are up to the job of PM. The Conservative party has been fatally damaged by the juvenile antics of those two. No doubt one of them will get the top job but their credibility is forever damaged.

    There are definitely better MPs than these two, but very few of the good ones every put their heads above the parapet.

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  • Our economic situation is Sunak’s creation. He was warned that inflation and recession would follow a money printing spree and that’s what we have. No surprises here as any followers of history could tell you.


    The energy crisis is something different, a matter of poor policy decisions that could be reversed. Trouble is no politician will do it.

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  • This is what I said in an earlier post, however I can't see either of them winning the next GE

  • Covid had to be dealt with, Armitage.

    We didn’t have to lock down OB. Totally unnecessary and proven with hindsight as completely ineffective. A chain of poor decisions driven by pound shop science and ideology which had to be funded by printing money. It’s almost criminal.

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  • We didn’t have to lock down OB. Totally unnecessary and proven with hindsight as completely ineffective. A chain of poor decisions driven by pound shop science and ideology which had to be funded by printing money. It’s almost criminal.

    Yes, you are right, and I didn't want to lock down, however there was a lot of pressure from all directions to follow the rest of the world. In fact, I think Labour would probably have locked us up an awful lot longer. We live and learn, and hopefully it won't happen again.

  • I agree with you both, we didn’t need lockdown, and in fact now we are starting to see the real damage it did.


    But the fact remains that this is what the government did because that’s what the siren voices from the scientific community were shouting from the rooftops, and that intimidated the population and therefore the politicians.


    Given that, the people no longer able to work needed help from the state. That’s common sense. But that doesn’t make the government socialists.

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  • I worked as normal right through lockdown and didn’t receive a penny in aid. Why should I have to pay for help I didn’t receive but my taxes were used to provide that help?


    We all suffer the consequences of poor decisions so we must not tolerate anymore the concept of the loudest voices winning the argument. Normally the loudest noises come from the emptiest vessels.

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  • Because most people were unable to work owing to restrictions imposed by the government. It was only right that the government compensates people who are impacted fundamentally by the decisions they make.


    You can't just leave people to starve by denying them their right to work. This isn't China!

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