I disagree. We need economic redistribution to help those in poverty.
The far right see the working class as criminals and parasites.
The far right want the poor to suffer.
And how will you incentivise people to work harder and take on more responsibility if you give them increased salaries on the one hand and then take it away again in tax with the other?
I have no qualms about the rich making money.
What I find distateful is their blatant avoidance of paying tax.
Offshore accounts and creative accounting might be legal but they are immoral.
They like to tell the poor to pay theirs but do their damndest to not pay their own!
So, tax is paid on income/earnings if you put your money (emphasis on YOUR) in an offshore account, then any interest earned is not paying uk tax. So its immoral to put your money where you want it. Its immoral to ensure that the interest earned is yours not the UK tax man. Sorry mate, if i had big bucks id bank overseas also.
I'd hire an accountant to ensure I only paid what I had to and no more.
We are a heavily taxed nation, taxed several times over on the same money, this keeping more of your own money is a soundbite. VAT, Inheritance tax, capital gains tax and whatever else taxes money already taxed at source. This will get worse under Labour, they even take your house to pay for social care leaving you a pittance. You don't even get any better care than someone that pays sweet fa.
Fairness has gone from the system.
The far right see the working class as criminals and parasites.
The far right want the poor to suffer.
Could you define the “far right” in terms of an active political party? Does this party have any elected officials? Do they hold the balance of power?
The current conservative government is centre left by most reasonable standards.
Are you not concerned about “far left” politics. They are far more dangerous if you ask me. They are also more common place.
"The current conservative government is centre left by most reasonable standards."
Are you kidding me?
The Conservatives at best have always been right of centre.
Try talking sense Shanks!
Display More"The current conservative government is centre left by most reasonable standards."
Are you kidding me?
The Conservatives at best have always been right of centre.
Try talking sense Shanks!
From where I am standing the current conservative government are in the same political ground as New Labour were.
They are clearly comfortable with the political capture by radical leftists of the civil service, academia and the institutions including the police and legal system. They remain unwaveringly loyal to the Equalities Act 2010 (the last piece of Labour legislation passed) and this is enforced fanatically today. They have gone mad on environmental issues and give away £18bn every year in foreign aid whilst we have homeless sleeping on our streets. Anytime we do get a politician of right wing leanings the wet leftists of the Conservative Party chase them out. Suella Braverman was spot on about our useless two tier ideologically captured police and she was fired. So I totally disagree with any suggestion that the conservatives have even an atom of right wing in them.
Your comments clearly mark you out as a leftist. You said you were centre left but I’m not so sure. From what I’ve read you are more socialist than centre left. That’s fine, but at least be realistic in your own assessment of yourself.
Display More"The current conservative government is centre left by most reasonable standards."
Are you kidding me?
The Conservatives at best have always been right of centre.
Try talking sense Shanks!
Stew, the current Conservative government is most definitely centrist left. They tax high, and our benefits system is amongst the most generous in the world. Add to that their lenient stand on immigration and their tolerance of woke ideals, indicates they aren't really a Tory government at all. Our last proper Tory government was under Maggie, and even that wasn't particularly far right. I for one would love to see a more right wing government, and that's why I will vote for REFORM UK next time around. We need to ensure our successful and hard working people are looked after, as they are the countries contributors. The trouble with the left is they are more worried about those who offer society NOTHING, rather than those who keep it going
So what you are saying is you want a right wing, cruel government who only care about the 1%?
Well when the world goes to sh*t and they all run for their bunkers who's going to keep them maintained?
Who's going to do the jobs they can't/won't/are unable to do?
Not them they'd be too afraid of getting their hands dirty.
The 1% make their money from the other 99%.
The 99% keep the economy moving.
The 99% do the dirty work.
So maybe the 1% need to think on and treat that 99% with a little more respect.
Without the 99% they would be helpless.
A healthy, happy 99% will be more productive.
But hey, let's not worry about them as long as that 1% can live on their private island, avoid taxes and look down on the people who do the work that put them where they are.
Politicians create problems and then expect the electorate to bear the financial brunt of their ineptitude while they have a new fence built around their swimming pool.
If my empathy for others makes me a leftie in your eyes then so be it.
As for the whingeing about the benefits paid out the huge majority of that is for the state pension.
So which of you are going to give theirs up when the time comes to collect?
It is a benefit according to the government.
Nah thought not!
Display More"The current conservative government is centre left by most reasonable standards."
Are you kidding me?
The Conservatives at best have always been right of centre.
Try talking sense Shanks!
They have always been slightly to the right of centre , but as AS has pointed out not over the last few years mores the pity last thing we need is a Left Wing Parliament their failures when in office has proved that
last thing we need is a Left Wing Parliament their failures when in office has proved that
Unfortunately it's what the sheeple will vote for next time. In the words of Fraiser: We're doomed, all doomed.
They have always been slightly to the right of centre , but as AS has pointed out not over the last few years mores the pity last thing we need is a Left Wing Parliament their failures when in office has proved that
are you saying Braverman isn't right wing?
Badenoch?
Rees Mogg?
They have been right wing for the last 13 years.
Camerons Big Society, help yourselves don't expect us to bale you out from our mistakes policy.
Very right wing attitude.
Display Moreare you saying Braverman isn't right wing?
Badenoch?
Rees Mogg?
They have been right wing for the last 13 years.
Camerons Big Society, help yourselves don't expect us to bale you out from our mistakes policy.
Very right wing attitude.
In comparison to you the Girl Guides are right wing, we have never had a right wing government a few individuals you claim are right wing does not mean everyone in the Tory Party is Right Wing no matter how many times you repeat it
Display MoreSo what you are saying is you want a right wing, cruel government who only care about the 1%?
Well when the world goes to sh*t and they all run for their bunkers who's going to keep them maintained?
Who's going to do the jobs they can't/won't/are unable to do?
Not them they'd be too afraid of getting their hands dirty.
The 1% make their money from the other 99%.
The 99% keep the economy moving.
The 99% do the dirty work.
So maybe the 1% need to think on and treat that 99% with a little more respect.
Without the 99% they would be helpless.
A healthy, happy 99% will be more productive.
But hey, let's not worry about them as long as that 1% can live on their private island, avoid taxes and look down on the people who do the work that put them where they are.
Politicians create problems and then expect the electorate to bear the financial brunt of their ineptitude while they have a new fence built around their swimming pool.
If my empathy for others makes me a leftie in your eyes then so be it.
As for the whingeing about the benefits paid out the huge majority of that is for the state pension.
So which of you are going to give theirs up when the time comes to collect?
It is a benefit according to the government.
Nah thought not!
Who said anything about cruelty?
I think many on the left have a very confused attitude as to what it means to be right wing and always assume that it means some sort of dictatorship against the majority of the population.
The kind of government I want would make sensible decisions on the economy, generating as much as possible from income investment into this country, creating the best conditions for our businesses to operate, high wages, low taxes and a real war on waste that we have never seen before in this country.
We need a much slimmer civil service, with civil servants actually doing their jobs as instructed, we need to help our own countrymen and women who are struggling but without encouraging lives on benefits, eliminate homelessness and controlling the anti-social behaviour of those who habitually get thrown out of accommodation because of it. We need more prisons, longer sentences and put an end to early release for those serving longer sentences for heinous crimes.
Habitual criminals should be dealt with more harshly because they are responsible for most crimes, and we should have a ‘three strikes and you’re out’ policy in our criminal justice system.
We should stop giving away our money to other countries, concentrating only on emergency and humanitarian aid where the governments of those countries are not in a position to do so themselves. We should not be giving money to India, for example, when clearly they have enough to fund their ambitious space programme.
These are the kind of policies I would advocate, which would provide real help to everyone in our own country, from wealthy to poor. High spending governments that like to splash their money about as we are doing should be giving a good proportion of that to help our own people who cannot cope instead.
What part of what I have said in all that strikes you as being cruel?
Actions speak louder than some theatrical label to position someone or some group on a scale. Calling someone left or right is just a distraction as all parties consist of actions that fall on both sides and some actions may sway further one way or the other. There's no such thing as left or right. The problem is that all parties actions mostly sway too far back and forth on either side which causes turmoil so no steady balance...another distraction from the realities of what's going on causing confusion.
Display MoreSo what you are saying is you want a right wing, cruel government who only care about the 1%?
Well when the world goes to sh*t and they all run for their bunkers who's going to keep them maintained?
Who's going to do the jobs they can't/won't/are unable to do?
Not them they'd be too afraid of getting their hands dirty.
The 1% make their money from the other 99%.
The 99% keep the economy moving.
The 99% do the dirty work.
So maybe the 1% need to think on and treat that 99% with a little more respect.
Without the 99% they would be helpless.
A healthy, happy 99% will be more productive.
But hey, let's not worry about them as long as that 1% can live on their private island, avoid taxes and look down on the people who do the work that put them where they are.
Politicians create problems and then expect the electorate to bear the financial brunt of their ineptitude while they have a new fence built around their swimming pool.
If my empathy for others makes me a leftie in your eyes then so be it.
As for the whingeing about the benefits paid out the huge majority of that is for the state pension.
So which of you are going to give theirs up when the time comes to collect?
It is a benefit according to the government.
Nah thought not!
I have no idea where you are getting this 99% figure from, are you presuming that I only want the 1% of the richest people looking after? I want the hard working people of this country looked after, whether they are on minimum wage or a £1m a year. I believe a good benefit system should support low wage earners, and I believe employers should be training their staff so they can do better for themselves, rather than relying on Uni graduates who by and large are academic idiots. I don't want to see the tax payers money being wasted on people who can work but don't, and I include disabled people in that as well. I strongly believe that anyone entering this country, whether legal or illegal, should not have access to any benefits or medical aid for at least five years. That is a proper right wing Conservative way of thinking, and certainly doesn't reflect the actions of our present government
Actions speak louder than some theatrical label to position someone or some group on a scale. Calling someone left or right is just a distraction as all parties consist of actions that fall on both sides and some actions may sway further one way or the other. There's no such thing as left or right. The problem is that all parties actions mostly sway too far back and forth on either side which causes turmoil so no steady balance...another distraction from the realities of what's going on causing confusion.
I think you're probably right Nora, the term left and right just creates a barrier in peoples thinking. For some obscure reason in modern times right wing is considered uncaring, and left wing caring. This simply isn't true, it's just about who should be cared for the most. I believe in looking after anyone who makes the effort, regardless of what they end up earning. Any governme3nt should be spending our taxes carefully and fairly. Businesses and business owners need to be looked after, and taxes should be as low as possible. The present government was far to generous with the furlough scheme, and those ridiculous lock downs cost us a fortune. Both those actions couldn't have been less conservative if they had tried. Unfortunately both Labour and Conservative are totally out of touch with the public, and spend their time listening to nutty minority groups rather than the majority.
Who's going to do the jobs they can't/won't/are unable to do?
The people you are talking about can’t help themselves let alone be useful to anyone else. If you have useful and marketable skills you will be alright. It’s always been thus. If you don’t have marketable skills you will be pushed from pillar to post and have to live off the dregs. It’s always been this way Stew. Socialism just wants everyone living off the dregs. Look at the communist countries of the past. Is that what you want for everyone?
QuoteWho's going to do the jobs they can't/won't/are unable to do?
Who wants to clean toilets or sweep the streets for minimum wage. Pay them a fair wage and there will be many wanting to do the job. The same with fruit picking where they currently earn less than minimum wage after having to pay high rental costs on shitty living conditions in a shared caravan or porta cabin on site and because they are in the middle of the countryside there are no local cheap shops for food (if they can get enough time off) so farmers then rip them off there too and charge a fortune in a tuck shop farm shop for food produce, washing powder, toothpaste etc and even gas bottles for the cooker and heating in the caravan. So basically what they earn they then pay back so essentially slave labour. I don't blame the farmers though as they are not paid enough by the Supermarkets for their produce. It's the profiteering Supermarkets and essentially us for using them to blame so farmers essentially earn a living from their workers not their produce. The workers are the product. Modern day slavery is at an all time high in the UK and that goes for the many shop workers and other essential jobs that keep the country going. Have we not learned anything from lockdown. Same old, same old selfishness from those who live a comfortable life.
Who wants to clean toilets or sweep the streets for minimum wage. Pay them a fair wage and there will be many wanting to do the job. The same with fruit picking where they currently earn less than minimum wage after having to pay high rental costs on shitty living conditions in a shared caravan or porta cabin on site and because they are in the middle of the countryside there are no local cheap shops for food (if they can get enough time off) so farmers then rip them off there too and charge a fortune in a
tuck shopfarm shop for food produce, washing powder, toothpaste etc and even gas bottles for the cooker and heating in the caravan. So basically what they earn they then pay back so essentially slave labour. I don't blame the farmers though as they are not paid enough by the Supermarkets for their produce. It's the profiteering Supermarkets and essentially us for using them to blame so farmers essentially earn a living from their workers not their produce. The workers are the product. Modern day slavery is at an all time high in the UK and that goes for the many shop workers and other essential jobs that keep the country going. Have we not learned anything from lockdown. Same old, same old selfishness from those who live a comfortable life.
I kind of agree, but all this involves a cost to the end user. Some people may be happy a lot more for their fruit and vegetables so the fruit pickers can earn more, but many won't. In actual fact, if fruit and vegetables (for example) cost a lot more I am sure many people wouldn't eat them at all. We have prisons all over the country full of prisoners playing pool and X-Box, perhaps there is an answer!
but all this involves a cost to the end user.
The cost to the end user does not need to rise. The high wage packets of top management and profits made by the Supermarkets need to drop in favour of paying farmers more. It's simply Capitalistic greed. For example the likes of Sharon white for John Lewis / Waitrose makes close to a hundred grand a year for doing nothing apart from being a figurehead and having a voice and contacts who can then be given backhanders so stores like that can then be given higher food standard and hygiene certificates etc to keep a national brand name looking good. All this while workers slave away on mostly minimum wage in poor work conditions along with staff cuts which then has an affect on moral, workers leaving etc which in turn then has an affect on customer service.
The cost to the end user does not need to rise. The high wage packets of top management and profits made by the Supermarkets need to drop in favour of paying farmers more. It's simply Capitalistic greed. For example the likes of Sharon white for John Lewis / Waitrose makes close to a hundred grand a year for doing nothing apart from being a figurehead and having a voice and contacts who can then be given backhanders so stores like that can then be given higher food standard and hygiene certificates etc to keep a national brand name looking good. All this while workers slave away on mostly minimum wage in poor work conditions along with staff cuts which then has an affect on moral, workers leaving etc which in turn then has an affect on customer service.
It's called supply and demand. If a company wants the best people at the helm, they have to pay the top wages. Look at football players, it's the same thing. If Tesco don't want to pay a £1m a year for the top director, Asda will, etc etc.
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