The death of 10 year old Sara Sharif

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  • Home tutoring has nothing to do with it. That is total codswallop and I suspect there are other issues why home tutoring has been brought up. People more often than not do much better being home tutored than those sent to a public school as long those home tutored join clubs and do other things where they get to socialise with those of similar age. I am more inclined to think this is a cultral thing like arranged marriage that has caused a rift and death in the family. Geez the education system in this country is the last thing we should be gunning for as being any good. Indoctrinated crap is what it is. I have learnt more reading the Internet self teaching myself along with the university of hard knocks than I ever learnt at school. All one needs to be able to take away from school is how to read and write and possibly do some basic maths. Anything else is a waste of time.

    I think the home tutoring point was more a general point about keeping tabs on what's happening behind closed doors particularly if you consider the increased number of domestic abuse cases that accompanied lockdown.

    It doesn't really matter if it's applicable to this particular sad state of affairs or not - it's a genuine concern as are the risks of a kid being groomed online for whatever ever reason by they home schooled or not. Same goes for those more cultural specific problems like FGM and arranged marriages.

    We can only guess what happened to this poor soul, but the sad truth of it is that the same outcome might probably have occurred regardless of what safeguards were put in place.

  • Norra

    Sorry but although I understand your sentiments I knew there were links, I just wasn't aware if they were scare stories or genuine concerns.

    There is a thought that some extra tutoring is bordering on abuse, the one upmanship between parents that does occur from time to time. But for most I accept that home tutoring is absolutely fine, but one must accept that if someone is inclined to child abuse that woll undoubtedly happen regardless. But there is no avoiding the fact that home schooling is and does occur in order for that abuse to remain hidden.

    https://responsiblehomeschooling.org/advocacy/polic…g-environments/

    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/home-education-scrutiny-illegal-schools-safeguarding-deaths/#:~:text=The%20Child%20Safeguarding%20Practice%20Review,through%20risk%2Dtaking%20behaviour%E2%80%9D.

    Great link, well found thanks.

    As they say elsewhere on their site 'Oversight' of home schooling is essential.

    Right now there is no compulsory oversight whatsoever of home schooling in the UK

    Educating your child at home
    Educating your child at home ('home schooling'): when to get permission, telling the school, curriculum, SEN.
    www.gov.uk
  • I think the home tutoring point was more a general point about keeping tabs on what's happening behind closed doors particularly if you consider the increased number of domestic abuse cases that accompanied lockdown.

    It doesn't really matter if it's applicable to this particular sad state of affairs or not - it's a genuine concern as are the risks of a kid being groomed online for whatever ever reason by they home schooled or not. Same goes for those more cultural specific problems like FGM and arranged marriages.

    We can only guess what happened to this poor soul, but the sad truth of it is that the same outcome might probably have occurred regardless of what safeguards were put in place.

    We never know what goes on behind locked doors and never will until it is too late on some occasions, in relation to Home Tutoring been done for years and years some parents perhaps are not happy with our education system and think they can do a better job of it., or they cannot get a place in a local school, or their child other reasons.

    Some parent do not give a dam if their kids go to school or not IMHO

    In relation to Sara again IMHO perhaps her Father only stated that because her injuries were visible when she went to school to avoid any more questions or possible action by the Head of the school , we just don't know.

    The Post Mortem has been carried out according the media , but they do not know what caused her death at this moment in time, they did state she had extensive injuries that had been caused over a period of time.

    As for her Dad and others who fled to Pakistan as I understand it our Diplomats in Pakistan have already approached the Pakistani Authorities in order to bring them back to the UK , although we do not have an extradition treaty with them, Pakistan has returned suspects back to the UK before, one wanted for murder earlier this year.

    Hopefully this will happen and they are brought back to be interviewed by Surry Police

  • According to the media today the Pakistan Police claim they will have Sara's suspected killers in custody very soon , the media state they are tracking a sim card

  • I wonder if they'll demand to be tried in Pakistan, a country that legally still has the death penalty (and I suspect much grimmer jails)

  • At this stage we do not know if any of three suspects on the run will be charged with any thing yet or not let alone put on trial , the alleged murder took place here in England, any forensic evidence found at the house where Sara's body was found is here, the investigation Surrey Police are currently conducting and any witnesses are here.

    As I posted earlier we do not have an extradition treaty with Pakistan , but they have and will send suspects back to the UK its done through Diplomatic Channels which has already begun ready for when and if these three suspects are found and taken into custody.

    As I understand it in murder trials in Pakistan the accused can pay what they call " Blood Money" to the family of the murdered person which may mean a lower sentence ( not certain on that ) I doubt if our CPS would cooperate with a murder trial in Pakistan if the outcome may mean an execution of any suspect or suspects.

  • Sara's Dad and two others wanted in connection with her murder have returned to the UK of their own accord , all three were arrested and taken into Police custody, all three have now been charged

    Urfan Sharif, 41, along with his partner Beinash Batool, 29, and brother Faisal Malik, 28 were each charged with murder as well as causing or allowing the death of a child.

    Now remanded in custody

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